Cure yourself from homosexuality!

[Vince]

In it studies are cited (without reference unfortuneately) that seem conclusive (enough) to me. In regards to twins I'll post the relevant section

Only because I don't think you know what they're really talking about. It's very easy to lie with statistics, numbers and some alien nomenclature to people.

As you know the X and Y Chromosones are differential and, subsequently, there is little recombination between them in contemporary human genetics. Yet, evolutionary genetics has shown that this wasn't allways the case and that there are still two regions on the Y chromosone which are ananlogous to that on the X covering ~2.5 and 1/2million bps where recombination of information is possible. XQ28 is one of these, which is located IIRC on the tips of the Y. It's called a pseudoautosomal region (PAR) by the communit for obvious reasons. That being said, lets actually look at this:

The infamous trial by Hamer which you cite was a borderline joke which was not ony political (in the homosexual communities desire for biological justification) but down right immoral. His initia paper looked great and the liberal media jumped on the bandwagon, just like you.

Yet, Scientific American soon stated that he had "been charged with research improprieties and is now under investigation by the Federal Office of Research Integrity." Which is what happens when you exclud “pairs of brothers whose genetic makeup contradicted his finding.â€￾ Big Boo-Boo.

And then the shit really hit the fan when the scientific community tried to replicate the experiment. Science then published the following, much broader and (actually scientific) trial by Rice and Ebers which you can convienently read here - which totally overshadowed Hamer's horrific trial. Scientific American then stated that researchers "have yet to be fully replicated by another researcher.â€￾ Yeah, well, no shit and here's why.

As I stated before, it's a PAR, each of which are composed of several overlapping genes. He didn't isolate a gene and it's effect, nor did he state a mechanism behind it. And he got away with this because he restricted his pool to a small percentage of the gay population, he didn't study lesbians or any bisexuals, and totally avoided anyone whose heterosexual and relate.

I need to do some work now, but I'll reply on the actual genes in the PAR later on.

 

[Legion]

I'm sorry I don't see why you're laughing. Sexual possitions are discovered naturally and don't have to be taught.

So disgust (one of the basic human emotions psych 101) is taught? Or, is it learned?

So if these behaviors can be learned they are "natural"? What if said sexual positions were taught in via Kama Sutra for example? Would the one taught have learned something unnatural?

Of course, some ARE really wacky and I doubt many people would ever discover them without direction. As for love, are you trying to say that love has to be taught?

Start be defining love.

 

[Sage]

Start be defining love.

that's easy, "love is..."

I'd love to hear what you consider natural/unnatural.

 

[Legion]

Start be defining love.

that's easy, "love is..."

I'd love to hear what you consider natural/unnatural.

No, i prefer to laugh at your arbitrary concoctions you consider logical


You have no research or body of experts who support your "natural" and "unnatural" suppositions. Furthermore your reasoning is meaningless. Whether or not the behavior is "natural" is irrelevant.

I rest my case though on your inability to define love and explain whether it is natural or unnatural.

Is Hate likewise natural?

 

[Sage]

if you think you can define love then you're certainly a fool. people have been trying to define what love is forr mellenia and noone has agreed upon a definition yet. Is it natural? well of course it's natural. Is hate natural as well? Sadly, yes.

 

[Legion]

if you think you can define love then you're certainly a fool. people have been trying to define what love is forr mellenia and noone has agreed upon a definition yet. Is it natural? well of course it's natural. Is hate natural as well? Sadly, yes.

How is love natural? Explain. You can't even define it. How can you hope to label it?

 

[Sage]

How is love natural? Explain. You can't even define it. How can you hope to label it?

it's an emotion. emotions are natural

 

[Legion]

How is love natural? Explain. You can't even define it. How can you hope to label it?

it's an emotion. emotions are natural

Is it an emotion or is it composed of emotions?

 

[Sage]

Is it an emotion or is it composed of emotions?

does it matter?

 

[Legion]

Is it an emotion or is it composed of emotions?

does it matter?

Yes it does. I can understand an argument that compassion and love are learned and taught.

 

[Sage]

Yes it does. I can understand an argument that compassion and love are learned and taught.

I would like to hear that argument. I don't see how a collection of emotions differs so much from a single emotion. And the reason that love is not clearly defined is that it's a general term used to describe many different tyes of feelings, each person experiences love differently and experiences different kinds of love for different people. Go ahead, try and explain it, I'm sure that you can do what noone has managed to do for thousands of years.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

Sage, I can explain:

Love is taught by having sex with strangers.

Compassion is taught by having sex with strangers with STDs.

 

[Legion]

I would like to hear that argument. I don't see how a collection of emotions differs so much from a single emotion. And the reason that love is not clearly defined is that it's a general term used to describe many different tyes of feelings,

undoubtedly it is a wide range of emotions. I see no reason why any one of them are inherently learned without teaching or for that matter how learning and teaching makes something unnatural.

each person experiences love differently and experiences different kinds of love for different people. Go ahead, try and explain it, I'm sure that you can do what noone has managed to do for thousands of years.

I am not defining love. I am discussing that love is made up of numerous emotions. You can learn and be taught "love" and compassion. Likewise you can learn to be disgusted by something without being taught such.

 

[Sage]

learning doesn't make something natural or unnatural, but bahaviour that can ONLY come about by being taught is unnatural. Of course, that is not absolute as someone must have figured it out themsevles, so if you get down to it it's very difficult to say at what exact point something is or is not natural.

However, ALL emotions are natural; they cannot be learned. However, I now understand what you are talking about- applying an emotion to something specific can definitely be taught, however the emotion already exists ready to be applied.

 

[Legion]

learning doesn't make something natural or unnatural, but bahaviour that can ONLY come about by being taught is unnatural. Of course, that is not absolute as someone must have figured it out themsevles, so if you get down to it it's very difficult to say at what exact point something is or is not natural.

Provide me with an example of a behavior that has to be learned

However, ALL emotions are natural; they cannot be learned. However, I now understand what you are talking about- applying an emotion to something specific can definitely be taught, however the emotion already exists ready to be applied.

Thats not what i am saying. What i am saying is the application of these emotions is learned.

There certainly is a school of thought that does believe emotions are learned.

 

[Sage]

Provide me with an example of a behavior that has to be learned

religion. While a few visionaries have discovered religion without the aid of a mentor, they are almost always regarded as being very special.

 

[Legion]

religion. While a few visionaries have discovered religion without the aid of a mentor, they are almost always regarded as being very special.

your original supposition was the disgust for homosexual behavior is taught? Why can't this be learned? Why can't it be natural? Are those who are disgusted with many other human behaviors practicing an unnatural behavior? What makes something natural or unnatural?

 

[Sage]

my original suposition was that we are all naturally bisexual. It's natural to want to express ourseleves sexually to people we have emotional bond with. Would you say that you are incapable of forming a bond with someone of the same sex?

 

[Legion]

my original suposition was that we are all naturally bisexual.

If i recall correctly there were a few psychologists who felt humans were inherently bisexual and then developed a primary orientation later on. Its an interesting premise though not widely accepted today.

It's natural to want to express ourseleves sexually to people we have emotional bond with. Would you say that you are incapable of forming a bond with someone of the same sex?

You know i am bisexual sage.

Can you explain to me what makes some one natural or unnatural.

 

[Sage]

You know i am bisexual sage.

you mean you are open with yourself about it, or are you being sarcastic.

Can you explain to me what makes some one natural or unnatural.

I dont' understand what you mean by "someone" ?