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You can do that with PS4 as long as it is just two people, I.e. Not multiple local accounts at each end.
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You can do that with PS4 as long as it is just two people, I.e. Not multiple local accounts at each end.
Destiny - standard limit
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...tiny/cid=UP0002-CUSA00219_00-DESTINYTHEGAME01
One-time license fee for play on purchasing account’s designated, primary PS4™ system and other PS4 systems when signed in with purchasing account.
so game can be played on 1 main "active" system and 1 other ps4 as "guest".
without that sentence = only active on 1 main ACCOUNT.
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...maps/cid=UP9000-CUSA00190_00-COOPEXPANSION002
sometime the wording will also mention PS Vita etc for crossbuy games.
machine as
active = your account not need to login
guest = you account need login
why sony did not simply give simple indicator, i dont know. heck, on PSV store, they still mention the game download size in description instead sidebar haha.
I guess they did it for destiny due to the fact that it is online for some reason?
destiny is the normal "right of access" on PS4 digital games. 1 main "Active" console + 1 "guest".
maybe from sony's data, they know that too many people exploiting the 5 "active" console in PS3? so people from all around the world make "friends" and pool money. It effectively make all games reduced price to 1/5 lol.
maybe from sony's data, they know that too many people exploiting the 5 "active" console in PS3? so people from all around the world make "friends" and pool money. It effectively make all games reduced price to 1/5 lol.
Access our content from any PS4. They're getting more common in hotels, particularly in the UAE. I've had hotel rooms both in Dubai and Abu Dhabi with PS4 consoles. No need to rent games from the hotel, just login, download games over stupidly fast internet and game on.
I could do that on PS3 couldn't I?
So if I understand correctly, my kids can play destiny against each other or in co-op with their own profiles on my 2 seperate PS4s even though I purchased the game?
However only I can use the Killzone DLC on a 2nd PS4 but everyone can use it on the first?
Talk about confusing :S
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Only if the game permits it. Try it with Call of Duty but prepare to be disappointed. You'll know immediately because you'll get a "Guest accounts are restricted from accessing this content." error.
Perhaps this is part of the trade off that Sony made with PS4. Although I would suspect publishers are behind it more than Sony. For Sony shared access is a selling point, for publishers it could be a lost sale.
People gaming the system and exploiting sharing are the reason why we can't have nice things
deathindustrial
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People gaming the system and exploiting sharing are the reason why we can't have nice things
That's a pretty harsh statement to throw out without any evidence. Here's my equivalent:
Greedy corporations exploiting the (lack of strong | enforcement of ) consumer protection laws and doing everything in their power to erode existing rights further (cough, BSA, cough IIPA) are why can't have nice things.
=)
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deathindustrial
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You see someone gaming the system, I see people spending hard money on games.
@goonergaz
its supposed to be like that but can be different from one game to another.
but basically you will need to make each other console trade the "active" status. To make 2 console enjoy 1 game independently.
it was much easier on PS3 when sony allowed 5 active console....
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nice explanation on vgz http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/26/pla...ies-sharing-activating-a-primary-system-more/
"Up to two systems can be used concurrently"
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Active system management on web https://account.sonyentertainmentne...t.action?category=psn&displayNavigation=false
EDIT3:
anybody want to "share" with me? we trade "active" system
its supposed to be like that but can be different from one game to another.
but basically you will need to make each other console trade the "active" status. To make 2 console enjoy 1 game independently.
it was much easier on PS3 when sony allowed 5 active console....
EDIT:
nice explanation on vgz http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/26/pla...ies-sharing-activating-a-primary-system-more/
"Up to two systems can be used concurrently"
EDIT2:
Active system management on web https://account.sonyentertainmentne...t.action?category=psn&displayNavigation=false
EDIT3:
anybody want to "share" with me? we trade "active" system
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No, I see someone admitting to gaming the system. The person in question is being honest. If you wish to put a spin on that, that's your entitlement. People are good at choosing not to see what they don't want to see or admit exists.
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If by 'gaming the system' you mean 'using the features provided in the operating system' then yes, a great many people are doing this. Legally, legitimately.
You might be making the assumption that digital sharing means people get away with spending less and thus devs/publishers are missing out. This might be the case for some, but for the people I know using this sharing feature it has not reduced their spend. They just get the games they would have waited months for (for a price drop) earlier.
Me and my share buddy are buying a single copy of digital games at £50 whereas we have a pre-set biting point for most AAA games of £25, and this price almost always gets reached by retail before digital stores.
Out of those two options (1 digital download @ £50 vs. 2 physical copies @ £25), the second is going to see a sizeable percentage of the purchase price going to the retailer, the entity least deserving of the money.
Potentially buying twice the games at half the cost or just cutting costs on half.
Would buying a cheap steam key be gaming the system. Would buying ps4 games via the us psn store be gaming the system?
Imho this might be somewhat in the grey area, but it's not like stealing and it's not risk free or in other ways as simple as sharing a physical disc. And finally it's one of the bonuses of dd on the consoles..
^^ even Yoshida-san himself said that he buy stuff off different regions to enjoy the best of playstation
This isn't the thread to discuss whether people should game share or not. The morality of that is for elsewhere - as long as what's being described is legal and within the terms of the platform, it's valid to discuss how to do it.
@goonergaz
its supposed to be like that but can be different from one game to another.
but basically you will need to make each other console trade the "active" status. To make 2 console enjoy 1 game independently.
it was much easier on PS3 when sony allowed 5 active console....
EDIT:
nice explanation on vgz http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/26/pla...ies-sharing-activating-a-primary-system-more/
"Up to two systems can be used concurrently"
EDIT2:
Active system management on web https://account.sonyentertainmentne...t.action?category=psn&displayNavigation=false
EDIT3:
anybody want to "share" with me? we trade "active" system
Many thanks for all your help but your quote is somewhat out of context, it just means that my kids can play on the PS4a but I have to play on PS4b:
"Games purchased through PSN can be downloaded and played on different console, but only the original pruchaser can play this game on the console the game was not originally purchased on. Up to two systems can be used concurrently."
This is my problem, unless of course, as I said before, I can be logged into PS4b and my child can access the title with their account?
I guess I could check this by deactivating my PS4 - in theory the kids shouldn't be able to play but by logging on I can. Then (without logging off) I can let my son log into his account and see if the game works.
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Absolutely, and let me be clear just in case there are varying interpretations of the term "gaming the system", I am not using this in a way to suggest that using this functionality is in any way illegal or immoral (to cover Shifty's point). Sony and publishers set the rules for PS4 game sharing and operating within those rules (which the console enforces anyway) is everybody's right.
It's definitely an assumption and I certainly have no proof that people are doing it, but given it is an easily available avenue to spread/share the cost of game ownership without no real risk attached, I would be astonished if at least a segment of the platform userbase aren't doing this. If you're on a budget, it would be almost foolish not too, just like burning money or pouring beer down the drain.
Equally I'd also be surprised if Sony/publishers were not aware of the potential extent that game sharing may be occuring outside of the scenarios for which game sharing is aimed at, which is explained in the FAQ on the Sony site:
Sony said:
Ambiguous huh? It doesn't say friends have to be close but it does say "users who share your PS4 system". Sony's assumption (their fault) is that the console you own and use the most will be your primary PS4 but it's not manated by the T&C.
So back to my earlier post of where I said, this is why we can't have nice things. This is, by Sony's rules, absolutely fine. Howevre revisitng the text on Sony's FAQ and undeerstanding that publishers are, on the whole, greedy bastards, I don't believe this usage case is one which was intended. And the use of it, to any significant extent, will certainly cast a cloud over any consideration that Sony might be having to make the system more flexible, so it works better in the example given by deathindustrial above with his two PS4 and multiple local accounts.
Two strangers who never see each other could benefit more than a family who own multiple PS4; I doubt that was in Sony's strategy paper!
I'm not touching this debate with a barge pole
No, but how are these comparable? Buying things cheap in sales is a concept as old as the hills. Buying things cheaper from other places is a close second.
This may be a daft question that has been answered in the last few posts, but here it goes anyway:
if I have 4 PSN accounts on my PS4 system and one of them is a Plus member that enables online MP - do the other 3 accounts on that PS4 gain the rights to play online on that system as well or is it limited to the user-account where the Plus membership was activated?
if I have 4 PSN accounts on my PS4 system and one of them is a Plus member that enables online MP - do the other 3 accounts on that PS4 gain the rights to play online on that system as well or is it limited to the user-account where the Plus membership was activated?
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