Chief justice vows to fight monument removal order

[Natoma]

Well what we all expected has happened. The monument has been moved from public view to a private section of the courthouse.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/954934.asp?0cv=CB10

 

[Sabastian]

Well what we all expected has happened. The monument has been moved from public view to a private section of the courthouse.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/954934.asp?0cv=CB10

Yeah, I am not surprised by the outcome but that is not because they had a weak case though. In a new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll though a rather high percent disagreed with the courts actions…

The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009 Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/index.html

Interesting now though they have baited and switched the argument.

"The issue in Alabama is not simply about a 5,300-pound monument depicting the Ten Commandments in an Alabama courthouse," said Dobson, who will also be joined by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes. "The larger issue is that the unelected, unaccountable judiciary, who are appointed for life, have become so powerful."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95882,00.html

I thought the monument to the foundations of law and the constitution as far as the US is concerned ought to have been permitted simply based on historical fact. I don't know how far they will be able to take this new dispute, likely it will bear the same fruit particularly since it is against the most powerful force of the state, the Supreme Court. I do agree though there is a problem with having such a powerful and unaccountable group in control.

 

[Sabastian]

Heh, looks like Mississippi wants the monument if Alabama does not.

Meanwhile, in neighboring Mississippi, Democratic Gov. Ronnie Musgrove and Republican gubernatorial candidate Haley Barbour said they want the monument if Alabama does not. Musgrove said he would display it in the Capitol for a week, and hoped other states would do the same. Barbour said he'd like to have it for the governor's mansion.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95882,00.html

 

[Legion]

Have you read what this alabama judge has stated wrt the ten commandments and how it and god should be recognized in our legal system and judgement?

It is wrong for him to feel this way? Some how i believe that without the ten commandments he would still feel his religion should be involved in legal choices he makes. The religion is more than likely the basis of his morality. THis is not the same as saying he has an agenda.

People of all religions all around the world celebrate christmas in entirely secular ways. Yom Kippur is most certainly a religious holiday. You don't see non-jews celebrating it. Same with Rosh Hashanah. You don't see non-muslims celebrating the holy month of Ramadan. But you see them participating in the celebrations surrounding easter with the bunny, eggs, and chocolate.

Come now. We aren't talking about the celebrations of changes in nature or for that matter the conduct of other people in the world. Our topic is the US. The fact that certain people do not view christmas as a religious holiday does not change the fact it is a religious holiday. The original acceptance of christmas as a holiday was mainly do to religious reasons.

As i have pointed out if society can allow such things to slide then a tablet of ten religious and not religious commandments shouldn't upset to many people. There is no danger is allowing for the tablets to remain there as they profess the responsability of people to respect the value of law and enforcement.

Morals are one thing. One doesn't need a tablet or religion to dictate morals.

If one does not need it why is it such a threat to have it there? Obviously the real threat would be christians themselves correct? Not the fact there is a tablet.

If the judge really wants to get the morals across, he can write up pamphlets and place them on a rack so anyone can pick them up and read them. No, the judge has stated that his intentions with this tablet are to press christianity forward in the judicial system.

Then there should be nothing wrong with having the tablets remain there as they have for years. Not all monuments are necessary.

You honestly think Halloween is celebrated as a religious holiday, or recognized as such?

I don't think the majority of people celebrate it as a religious holiday however if asked i am sure a good portion of people accept it is a religious holiday.

I've never heard of that one.

There isn't a shrugging smiley.

The histories I've read have dealt with the recognition of the catholic saints (all hallow's eve aka all saint's day), the day of remembrance for disembodied souls who search for the living (which is why you dress up, to fool the souls so they won't take over your body), or a pagan ritual meant to worship satan. In terms of historic timeline, the pagan ritual came first, then all hallow's eve, then the day of remembrance (I believe the celts made this change).

That sounds familiar.

But I don't know of any celebration of Marduk.

As i said there is no shrugging smiley.

Coveting your neighbors goods or your neighbors wife is not a punishable offense.

No, however it often leads to them.

Idolatry is not punishable. Blaspheming is not punishable. Keeping the sabbath is not punishable. Not honoring your father and mother are not punishable.

Should anyone take offense to this?

Killing and stealing, most certainly. Bearing false witness is not a punishable offense either, unless you do it while under oath.

I can see the application of "bearing false witness." How can you say that doesn't apply to our court systems? Suggesting that it only applies while under oath isn't limitting its importance.

You can certainly be sued for libel or defamation of character, but only killing and stealing can bring direct prosecution of the state down upon you.

Lying under oath won't?

The application suggests no one should do it regardless of the offense. Just a guideline to protect one's self.

never said the commandments would cause someone to do this. I'm saying that the reasoning I gave earlier is what has been used to rule against religious intermingling in government.

You can't avoid "religion intermingling in government." As long as there are christians who feel as though they should uphold what they believe you will have this. There is nothing wrong with it. They have every right to be involved as any of the rest of us do. We live by a system that professes freedom of religion not freedom from it.