I took the screenshots and the videos from the DF video. That seemed like gameplay to me. What's your point?
Besides, my criticism is being done towards very poor quality effects (2D water and mud effects in 2020!..) and very low quality assets. How is that going to change between replay and gameplay?
And you're free to do so, on e.g. a dedicated thread. I actually encourage you to do that, it could bring a very fruitful discussion.
I suggest you stop with the excessive watchdogging because IIRC this is something you've done in the past, and it only served to generate unnecessary attrition over mutually respectful conversations.
My "polishing a turd" expression was very obviously used to explain why your constant callouts for others to watch better quality videos are a worthless effort for the IQ problems being pointed out:
Watching a very high quality video stream won't make 2D effects into 3D ones, nor will it increase geometry.
No one is bullying Codemasters here. I'm simply pointing out the flaws I'm seeing, and I'm putting them in an open forum discussion. I'm not tweeting insults to developers nor sending them harsh e-mails.
If forum users couldn't point out their opinion on graphics effects here, then this forum would be just useless pampering. You have resetera for that.
Your willingness to point this out as "bullying" seems like the real concern here. Are you trying to censor other people's opinions on how good graphics look like in a videogame?
Absolutely not, from what I'm seeing. Dirt 5 to me looks pretty terrible in comparison to Forza Horizon 4 or GT Sport footage, especially in particle effects.
But feel free to show specific examples on how Dirt 5's effects are much better than Horizon 4 or GT Sport like you claim. We're here to discuss these things and argue with examples.
Well, we're a community here. Communities should govern their own behaviour, it's why we ask people to pick up after their dogs, and teach our kids to say please and thank you.
Every community offers something different, I'm only asking for mature discourse in which things aren't a binary "it's a mobile game" to "it's the best looking game there is".
In a discussion where I agree from the very start with others and the Cherno that Dirt 5 is not a next gen looking game, I came back to combat his claim whether this was mobile game. Showing how video quality will address those arguments around texturing and pop-in. And in a discussion of that, you continue to defend Cherno and therefore his stance that his words are agreeable.
It's totally fine to go to bat for him because you respect him, but I'm asking for objectivity. In a debate whether this looks like a mobile title, it is inappropriate to bring in the top of the line console racing games as comparison. In a debate among 60fps racers, you should not be bringing in 30fps racers. Go look up Forza 7 in the rain and tell me how great their particle effects are.
I'm not censoring you by asking you to cut that type of behaviour out. Police and the laws do censorship. I'm asking you to elevate your discourse from operating at only extremities. You want to put out an opinion on graphics, I'm politely asking you to increase your grading from the 2 options, Mobile Game or Best Racer ever, to something with 8 other gradings in-between because that's mature technical discussion. You want to talk about graphics you talk about how they did it differently from the rest or if they didn't manage to accomplish it at all.
You call my watchdogging negative or useless pampering but it appears to me you don't recognize the value of it.
This is a forum in which grows very slightly compared to others, not because B3D doesn't get views, not because we have a technical problem with getting more members but because people are intimidated by the higher level of technical discourse of this forum. There by keeping our standards of discussion higher and more objective, we have installed a gate in which most people will not opt to join us by their own decision. This is the nature of this forum, there is a reason why people link to the forum but refuse to participate in it. If you lower that discussion level, you lower the gate for more to come in who have no a flipping clue what they are talking about. When you lower that level of discussion, the industry leaves this forum. It's that simple.
All of us here should be actively looking out for our own community to ensure that we aren't destroying it. It's no different than asking people to pick up their own litter. The environment we keep here at B3D also determines which inhabitants stay here.
You find another forum like this one and tell me about it. Gamedev.net might be the closest thing you have. MJP doesn't even moderate here and we lost Andrew L and Shifty now. Sebbbi is gone. Max McCullen is gone. We got Graham here and he's stopped moderating as well. Our industry folks are leaving at an alarming rate.
This isn't about sucking up to industry. It's literally the culture of this forum that we have been losing year over year; if we lose it, is there any point?
And to be clear, I'm asking you. Not forcing you. I have no power. I'm asking you to join me in making this forum better and if that requires discussion, then I'm more than open to that.
