BR/HD-DVD Thread
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Don't worry PC-Engine will be impressed when Nintendo announces the Blu-ray adoption in the Revolution...Ty said:PC-Engine said:That guy got paid pretty well.
What makes you say that? I don't know his articles but what from this one is factually incorrect (obviously some statements are mere opinion)?
Ty said:PC-Engine said:That guy got paid pretty well.
What makes you say that? I don't know his articles but what from this one is factually incorrect (obviously some statements are mere opinion)?
I had the "pleasure" of seeing several HD demostrations last year on the different MPEG-4/VC-1 formats. And i was underwhelmed, the primary focus was on "low bitrate and how good it looks even if!!!".
Looks like he experienced the same deal..
MORE BITS FOR THE FUTURE SUPPORT BLU-RAY!!!
Ty said:PC-Engine said:That guy got paid pretty well.
What makes you say that? I don't know his articles but what from this one is factually incorrect (obviously some statements are mere opinion)?
It's one article that I guess will stop the HD DVD movement dead in its tracks.
Well at least some people (I won't mention any names) hope it will.
We can dig up opinions from the internet all day, but it isn't going to change reality.
PC-Engine said:It's one article that I guess will stop the HD DVD movement dead in its tracks.
No one said that.
PC-Engine said:Well at least some people (I won't mention any names) hope it will.
Be honest here. If the guy had came out and said the same thing but with the technologies reversed, you'd be agreeing with it instead of dismissing it. Your bias against BluRay is no different than their bias FOR BluRay except I *think* I know why they prefer BR - because it offers more. It may not be the format that wins but isn't it the more advanced one (honest question)?
PC-Engine said:We can dig up opinions from the internet all day, but it isn't going to change reality.
Yes, that's why I asked you to tell me what was factually incorrect about the article.
There are no facts that need to be argued over and over again. It's been done to death right here at B3D.
HD DVD will debut fall of this year with almost 100 movie titles. Thems the facts and that hasn't changed nor did reality.
Of course the guy is arguing about what ifs, that's the hilarious part.
Oh and uh regarding Blu-ray...they ditched the caddie right? They adopted high efficiency codecs right?
...sounds more and more like *ahem*HD DVD*cough* to me...
How about we go back and dig up those posts praising the merits of a caddie and MPEG2?
HD DVD will debut fall of this year with almost 100 movie titles. Thems the facts and that hasn't changed nor did reality.
Of course the guy is arguing about what ifs, that's the hilarious part.
Oh and uh regarding Blu-ray...they ditched the caddie right? They adopted high efficiency codecs right?
...sounds more and more like *ahem*HD DVD*cough* to me...
How about we go back and dig up those posts praising the merits of a caddie and MPEG2?
PC-Engine said:...sounds more and more like *ahem*HD DVD*cough* to me...
How about we go back and dig up those posts praising the merits of a caddie and MPEG2?
Except it's the superior format, unless HD-DVD goes from 15/30 to 25/50 GB it will never be able to deliver a better quailty than HD-DVD.
We're well into seeing next generation, and still we have problems with a broken record! It's a shame, really... I thought they went out with 8-track.
Go figure :? He can also call people "dumb" here without the mods taking notice
PC-Engine said:There are no facts that need to be argued over and over again. It's been done to death right here at B3D.
Uh ok. So basically you just disagree with his opinion. Fine, I see no problem with that. I assume then, that his facts are correct though.
PC-Engine said:HD DVD will debut fall of this year with almost 100 movie titles. Thems the facts and that hasn't changed nor did reality.
Ok, sounds like a good start for HD-DVD alright. What are the plans for BR? When will it debut? Any mention of # of titles?
PC-Engine said:Of course the guy is arguing about what ifs, that's the hilarious part.
That was part of his argument. Most of it was centered around what he saw at the CES I thought. It seems he simply wasn't impressed by the PQ of what HD-DVD was demoing. Imagine you saw what he did, what would you say?
PC-Engine said:Oh and uh regarding Blu-ray...they ditched the caddie right? They adopted high efficiency codecs right?
...sounds more and more like *ahem*HD DVD*cough* to me...
Yep so what technologically does HD-DVD have over BR now?
PC-Engine said:How about we go back and dig up those posts praising the merits of a caddie and MPEG2?
That would be pointless since those no longer apply to BR.
You would win the award for emoticon abuse.
I don't really understand why some people pull the Betamax card so often when arquing why BluRay would "fail" and HD-DVD "win".PC-Engine said:BETAMAX was superior too...
Keep hanging on to your superior caddied MPEG2 format dream as long as you like...
Blu Ray and HD-DVD have nothing to do with Betamax and VHS, other than they are media formats and two of them have Sony heavily involved.
HD-DVD will come first to market, so did Betamax come before VHS.... which one failed... see, no relevance.
BluRay has no caddy any more, has it? :?
How does it make BluRay "copying" HD-DVD as you make it sound? Optical storage discs like DVD-RAM first came with a caddy, but lost it as the tech matured.
BETAMAX gets mentioned because the notion that a technically superior format winning a format war by default is flawed. Blu-ray is superior only in capacity that's it, but it's moot anyway as described above. Of course some individuals like to dream up nice fantasies about Blu-ray winning the format war solely because it has higher capacity as a nice attempt to escape reality. Whether one guy was impressed by HD DVD or not is irrelevent.
Actually it was the caddie and MPEG2 factors of Blu-ray that automatically made it a poor and inferior format so my bias against it isn't unfounded. Of course now things have changed due to the BDA essentially admitting Blu-ray inferiority hence the shedding of the caddie and addition of high efficiency codecs. This hasn't changed my opinion of the format, because to me they're just back pedaling and don't deserve support since their vision is flawed to begin with.
Actually it was the caddie and MPEG2 factors of Blu-ray that automatically made it a poor and inferior format so my bias against it isn't unfounded. Of course now things have changed due to the BDA essentially admitting Blu-ray inferiority hence the shedding of the caddie and addition of high efficiency codecs. This hasn't changed my opinion of the format, because to me they're just back pedaling and don't deserve support since their vision is flawed to begin with.
It's as flawed as saying a format that comes first to market winning a format war by default.
There's more to BluRay than just the higher capacity, though that too is a big issue when you consider recording HD-TV content.
Better interactive features.
Better copy protection.
and the fact that BluRay has better brand recognition (PS3, Sony...)
It's very very fanboyish to see the removal of caddy (which was expected, really ) and addition of formats (which were expected, really ) as backpedalling.
Blu Ray has been a developing format, do you really expect they had the specs nailed the day it was announced. Those changes were just natural evolving of the format, and seeing where the market goes and going with it.... you can call it "backpedalling" but it's no surprise from you really
There's more to BluRay than just the higher capacity, though that too is a big issue when you consider recording HD-TV content.
Better interactive features.
Better copy protection.
and the fact that BluRay has better brand recognition (PS3, Sony...)
It's very very fanboyish to see the removal of caddy (which was expected, really
) and addition of formats (which were expected, really ) as backpedalling. Blu Ray has been a developing format, do you really expect they had the specs nailed the day it was announced. Those changes were just natural evolving of the format, and seeing where the market goes and going with it.... you can call it "backpedalling" but it's no surprise from you really
When did anyone say HD DVD will win because it launches first? Regardless Blu-ray actually launched first anyway since you could buy the recorders/players about two years ago. I guess Blu-ray will be the BETAMAX then since it lauchned first and is technically superior.
Uh no go do some research buddy.
Un no it all comes down to what the original plan was. HD DVD didn't stray from the orginal plan. It was/is based on higher efficiency codecs and no caddie not MPEG2 at higher bit rates with caddie. Blu-ray OTOH had to install patches and bandaides just in case the original plan flopped/tanked which it did...bigtime. Blu-ray kinda reminds me of PSX constantly needing firmware updates to live up to what was promised initially.
Correction: HD-DVD will launch first pre-recorded content.
There will be pre-recorded content available for HD.DVD before BluRay.
HD-DVD will launch later this year with 100's of titles.
That was obvioulsly what I meant.
If you remembered what you wrote just a while ago, and what you are arguing, you would understand what others mean even though they might not write 100% accurate, and not need to resort to childish nitpicking.
Do you claim they have not added to their specs along the way, just as Blu Ray has. The caddy and MPEG-2 aren't the only that you should look at (though, again I understand your selective picking of information ) May I remind you that the discs contain also audio
The video and audio formats really have little to do with developmant of either HD-DVD or BluRay, both of them have been capable to inculde those thay are going to have from the beginning.
It's nothing to do with techological superiority of either high capacity, high bandwith disc format. It's got all to do with acceptance of market and studios.
There will be pre-recorded content available for HD.DVD before BluRay.
HD-DVD will launch later this year with 100's of titles.
That was obvioulsly what I meant.
If you remembered what you wrote just a while ago, and what you are arguing, you would understand what others mean even though they might not write 100% accurate, and not need to resort to childish nitpicking.
And HD-DVD is currently what, specification 1.? ?PC-Engine said:Un no it all comes down to what the original plan was. HD DVD didn't stray from the orginal plan. It was/is based on higher efficiency codecs and no caddie not MPEG2 at higher bit rates with caddie. Blu-ray OTOH had to install patches and bandaides just in case the original plan flopped/tanked which it did...bigtime. Blu-ray kinda reminds me of PSX constantly needing firmware updates to live up to what was promised initially.
Do you claim they have not added to their specs along the way, just as Blu Ray has. The caddy and MPEG-2 aren't the only that you should look at (though, again I understand your selective picking of information
) May I remind you that the discs contain also audio The video and audio formats really have little to do with developmant of either HD-DVD or BluRay, both of them have been capable to inculde those thay are going to have from the beginning.
It's nothing to do with techological superiority of either high capacity, high bandwith disc format. It's got all to do with acceptance of market and studios.
rabidrabbit said:
And if you actually understood the intent of the 100 movie titles mentioned, you wouldn't be scrambling to find your way out of the paper bag that you pulled over your own head...
Kinda funny how you couldn't backup your
claim above.
Your opinion like the guy who wrote that article is insignificant in changing the outcome of this format war.
PC-Engine said:
Why do you feel the need to resort to childish name calling? You looking to get banned?
PC-Engine said:
Depends on WHO this guy is AND if others see the same issue as he does.
PC-Engine said:
So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?
I dunno, I don't think anything would change your opinion on BR as long as Sony has a stake in it.
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