BR/HD-DVD Thread

[PC-Engine]

So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?

You're asking which is better a Lamborghini or a Ferrari...

I'd ask who the driver is...

 

[rabidrabbit]

Kinda funny how you couldn't backup your

Better interactive features.
Better copy protection.
and the fact that BluRay has better brand recognition (PS3, Sony...)

claim above.

Your opinion like the guy who wrote that article is insignificant in changing the outcome of this format war.

Why would I bother?
You don't back up your claims with other than 's and 's and "you're dumb" 's.
Do your own homework, silly.

 

[PC-Engine]

What claims? That's what I thought.

You among all people are not in any position to call someone dumb...

 

[rabidrabbit]

So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?

You're asking which is better a Lamborghini or a Ferrari...

I'd ask who the driver is...

You can always get more, better drivers. Better car lures better drivers.
While the car remains the same

 

[PC-Engine]

So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?

You're asking which is better a Lamborghini or a Ferrari...

I'd ask who the driver is...

You can always get more, better drivers. Better car lures better drivers.
While the car remains the same

Thanks for the laugh seeing you have nothing else to fall back on...

You should be able to answer your own question then ie which car will lure the better driver...

Thanks for playin...

 

[-tkf-]

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And if you actually understood the intent of the 100 movie titles mentioned, you wouldn't be scrambling to find your way out of the paper bag that you pulled over your own head...

Your opinion like the guy who wrote that article is insignificant in changing the outcome of this format war.

I wonder if PC-ENGINE gets away with another personal attack?

And if he could actually point to where HD-DVD is technically superior to Blu-Ray?

 

[PC-Engine]

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And if you actually understood the intent of the 100 movie titles mentioned, you wouldn't be scrambling to find your way out of the paper bag that you pulled over your own head...

Your opinion like the guy who wrote that article is insignificant in changing the outcome of this format war.

I wonder if PC-ENGINE gets away with another personal attack?

And if he could actually point to where HD-DVD is technically superior to Blu-Ray?

Where did anyone claim HD DVD is technically superior. I WONDER when you'd snap out of it.

Just keep wishing BETAMAX will make a comeback.

 

[rabidrabbit]

What claims? That's what I thought.

You among all people are not in any position to call someone dumb...

Eh, now you're forgetting again.
The claim that evolving the BluRay by removing the caddy and adding new formats to the spec was "backpedalling", while when they do the same with for example HD-DVD audio formats is not backpedalling.

Bringing dumb car analogies to discussions is not a good idea, as they do not hold water if one is too dumb to understand them even himself

(hehe now let's see which one of us gets the note from a mod ... place your bets NOW!!!)

 

[-tkf-]

So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?

You're asking which is better a Lamborghini or a Ferrari...

I'd ask who the driver is...

Wow, how can 40% more space be reduced to that?

 

[PC-Engine]

What claims? That's what I thought.

You among all people are not in any position to call someone dumb...

Eh, now you're forgetting again.
The claim that evolving the BluRay by removing the caddy and adding new formats to the spec was "backpedalling", while when they do the same with for example HD-DVD audio formats is not backpedalling.

Bringing dumb car analogies to discussions is not a good idea, as they do not hold water if one is too dumb to understand them even himself

(hehe now let's see which one of us gets the note from a mod ... place your bets NOW!!!)

You should look in the mirror.

You should see how rediculous you look dude.

Desparately making up stuff about audio formats.

Oh wait I guess you thought HD DVD won't have any audio!

So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?

You're asking which is better a Lamborghini or a Ferrari...

I'd ask who the driver is...

Wow, how can 40% more space be reduced to that?

Keep hanging on to that PS2 was a major factor in DVD adoption pipedream of yours.

 

[-tkf-]

Just keep wishing BETAMAX will make a comeback.

Actually one of the reasons Betamax lost was... "space"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/comment/story/0,12449,881780,00.html

Later I found out that Betamax had owned the market, but lost it because Sony got one simple decision wrong. It chose to make smaller, neater tapes that lasted for an hour, whereas the VHS manufacturers used basically the same technology with a bulkier tape that lasted two hours. Instead of poring over the sound and picture quality, reviewers could simply have taken the systems home.

 

[rabidrabbit]

So now that BR > HD-DVD in all respects, you still don't believe it's the better format?

You're asking which is better a Lamborghini or a Ferrari...

I'd ask who the driver is...

You can always get more, better drivers. Better car lures better drivers.
While the car remains the same

Thanks for the laugh seeing you have nothing else to fall back on...

You should be able to answer your own question then ie which car will lure the better driver...

Thanks for playin...

Hey.. there was text before the "laugh"( ) did you forget you read it already? The laugh was just there at the end of the text which I used against your failing car analogy, remember?

I didn't ask that question, remember? I know little about cars anyway.
But to answer the question "which format will lure the better content", I'd bet my money for Blu Ray. PS3 content is already a very very big plus, add to that support from announced movie companies and PC makers and the result is quite clear in my opinion.

 

[PC-Engine]

Just keep wishing BETAMAX will make a comeback.

Actually one of the reasons Betamax lost was... "space"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/comment/story/0,12449,881780,00.html

Later I found out that Betamax had owned the market, but lost it because Sony got one simple decision wrong. It chose to make smaller, neater tapes that lasted for an hour, whereas the VHS manufacturers used basically the same technology with a bulkier tape that lasted two hours. Instead of poring over the sound and picture quality, reviewers could simply have taken the systems home.

I thought it was PORN!!!

Excuses are like...

But to answer the question "which format will lure the better content", I'd bet my money for Blu Ray. PS3 content is already a very very big plus, add to that support from announced movie companies and PC makers and the result is quite clear in my opinion.

Thanks for your opinion. I'm sure it'll prove to be instrumental in deciding which format wins...

 

[-tkf-]

Keep hanging on to that PS2 was a major factor in DVD adoption pipedream of yours.

Hey getting a little annoyed ehh, or you wouldn't have ignored the 40% argument would you?

And twisting my PS2 DVD argument that i used to point out how the PS3 could be a factor in the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD war was expected.

Now we only need the "Hacked SuperBit" argument and you have come full circle in that special place of yours!

 

[PC-Engine]

Keep hanging on to that PS2 was a major factor in DVD adoption pipedream of yours.

Hey getting a little annoyed ehh, or you wouldn't have ignored the 40% argument would you?

And twisting my PS2 DVD argument that i used to point out how the PS3 could be a factor in the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD war was expected.

Now we only need the "Hacked SuperBit" argument and you have come full circle in that special place of yours!

No twisting needed. Go back and bring up the topic if you start to suddenly have amnesia.

Not getting annoyed at all. Just getting cramps from ROTFLMAO.

Oh btw BETAMAX had 40% less PORN!

 

[-tkf-]

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Oh btw BETAMAX had 40% less PORN!

Yeah, you would know wouldn't you

 

[rabidrabbit]

What claims? That's what I thought.

You among all people are not in any position to call someone dumb...

Eh, now you're forgetting again.
The claim that evolving the BluRay by removing the caddy and adding new formats to the spec was "backpedalling", while when they do the same with for example HD-DVD audio formats is not backpedalling.

Bringing dumb car analogies to discussions is not a good idea, as they do not hold water if one is too dumb to understand them even himself

(hehe now let's see which one of us gets the note from a mod ... place your bets NOW!!!)

You should look in the mirror.

You should see how rediculous you look dude.

Desparately making up stuff about audio formats.

Oh wait I guess you thought HD DVD won't have any audio!

No, really PC-Engine, let' sbehave civilized for a change so that we won't make ourselves look stupid in front of these people, ok.
The very original HD-DVD specification didn't have DTS++ specced as mandatory format, they added it later as they saw it fit and/or requested by DVD Forum.

The DVD Forum, a specifications-setting organization for the DVD format, has selected Dolby Digital Plus and MLP Lossless technology as mandatory audio formats for HD DVD. Dolby Digital Plus is an extension of the Dolby Digital format we've all come to know and love thanks to DVDs and North American HDTV broadcasts. Originally unveiled earlier this year to the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) (the people responsible for making sure the latest reality TV show makes its inane way to your living room), Dolby Digital Plus is designed to add more versatility and capabilities while maintaining backwards compatibility with all the Dolby Digital 5.1 systems in use today. On an HD DVD, where higher bit rates can be allocated for audio playback, Dolby maintains that Dolby Digital Plus will deliver "the highest quality audio performance possible" due to a "highly sophisticated perceptual coding process." Dolby Digital Plus will also be able to offer more discrete channels than the current 5.1 standard.
The DVD Forum also selected MLP Lossless technology, developed by Meridian Audio and licensed by Dolby Laboratories, as a mandatory audio standard of the HD DVD. MLP Lossless is the core audio technology behind multi-channel DVD-Audio discs where it enables encoding of multiple channels of 24-bit/96kHz surround sound or 24-bit/192kHz stereo music.

The DTS Coherent Acoustics coding system wasn't forgotten by the DVD Forum, either. In addition to including DTS' core technology as a mandatory audio technology for the HD DVD, they also selected DTS' extension technologies as optional. The extension technologies, including DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 and identified collectively as DTS++, encompass higher data rates, lossless operation, and additional channels. DTS asserts that "both the mandatory DTS core technology, as well as optional higher sampling rates such as DTS 96/24 and additional channels up to 7.1...offer DTS' premium audio quality to consumers while retaining compatibility with all existing DTS decoders."

The Microsoft VC-1 is added as a mandatory format for Blu Ray spec.
It's ADDED, nothing is taken AWAY.
How is that BACKPEDALLING????

 

[-tkf-]

How is that BACKPEDALLING????

It's not, both formats were finalized in the middle/last part of 2004, i guess they both have been "backpedalling"? , trying to use real arguments doesn't work with PC-ENGINE, it's called trolling, and i actually fear that PCE doesn't do it on purpose.

 

[PC-Engine]

No, really PC-Engine, let' sbehave civilized for a change so that we won't make ourselves look stupid in front of these people, ok.
The very original HD-DVD specification didn't have DTS++ specced as mandatory format, they added it later as they saw it fit and/or requested by DVD Forum.

They added VC-1 and MPEG4AVC later too what's your point? The approach for HD DVD was/is from WAY BACK when it was called AOD was high efficiency CODECS whether it be video or audio along with little change to the actual DVD discs using blue laser. You have a problem understanding that?

The Microsoft VC-1 is added as a mandatory format for Blu Ray spec.
It's ADDED, nothing is taken AWAY.
How is that BACKPEDALLING????

The Blu-ray approach was MPEG2 at high bit rates hench the need for higher disc capacity hence the need for a physically different disc hence a caddie compared to HD DVD. You got that?

It's not, both formats were finalized in the middle/last part of 2004, i guess they both have been "backpedalling"? , trying to use real arguments doesn't work with PC-ENGINE, it's called trolling, and i actually fear that PCE doesn't do it on purpose.

Keep on grasping...it just makes your situation worse.

 

[rabidrabbit]

They added VC-1 and MPEG4AVC later too what's your point? The approach for HD DVD was/is from WAY BACK when it was called AOD was high efficiency CODECS whether it be video or audio along with little change to the actual DVD discs using blue laser. You have a problem understanding that?

The Blu-ray approach was MPEG2 at high bit rates hench the need for higher disc capacity hence the need for a physically different disc hence a caddie compared to HD DVD. You got that?

February 19th, 2002 the basic specifications for Blu Ray were established, which indeed included only MPG2 format for video, caddy...

May 20th, 2002 "Nine leading companies announced that they will start disclosing specifications for a next generation large capacityoptical disc video recording format Blu-ray Disc"


January 8th, 2004 "...the Blu-ray disc founders are in the process of finalizing the complete format specifications portfolio. The BD-Rom is expected to be available early 2004. The BD-R format is expected to be finalized by mid 2004, and the BD-RE format will be further expanded to cover additional requirements of the related industries. (or should that one have read "will be further backpedalled to cover additional requirements of the related industries". I don't think so)
Now that already gives you a hint that the initial specs including only MPG2 etc. would not be the final specs. It was very much the specs of the first Blu-ray recorders, but let's forget those for convenience

HD-DVD specs are very much dictated by DVD-Forum (and the included HD-DVD developers ). Blu-ray specs are more free to evolve according to current situation.
Even though VC-1 is specced mandatory for Blu-ray, that dosn't mean it'll be the prevailing format if Blu-ray is going to be the next standard. It's up to content providers which format they'll finally choose to support in Blu-ray discs.

Who knows, maybe the VC-1 will be used a lot id TV show BR discs, where it's good to be able to fit mmore on one discs, and the very best image quality is not that important.
Maybe MPG-2 will be used on blockbuster extra special superbithack movie BR discs, where the best image quality is desired over extra storage.
Maybe there aren't rabid f4nbois in the lead of big corporations, maybe when they first looked at VC-1, thay thought "hmmm.. another worthy format, but let's do some research first before we announce our support for it." ....and after they did some researcs, they decided to support it. Backpedalling? I just can't see it, maybe I should buy some Sonyhate goggles too

It's good there is more choice, isnt it? I don't see it as "backpedalling" but just common sense.