Blu-ray and HD-DVD talks restart again

I know everyone is going to look at this and think its old news, but its not. This is fresh off the press so enjoy. :)


TOKYO (AFX) - Sony Corp, Matsushita Electric Industrial Co and Toshiba Corp may restart talks aimed at working out a common DVD format after their respective shareholders meetings are held later this month, Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Sony and Matsushita have been promoting the Blu-ray Disc format, whereas Toshiba is seeking to make its HD DVD format the industry standard.

Earlier talks collapsed in mid-May, but the companies now hope it will become easier to negotiate once the top management teams at Sony and Toshiba, which are heavily committed to their respective formats, step down after the shareholders meetings, the newspaper said.

Sony's meeting is scheduled for June 22, Toshiba's for June 24 and Matsushita's for June 29. Sony Chairman and CEO Nobuyuki Idei will resign and be succeeded in both posts by Howard Stringer. In addition, Ryoji Chubachi will become the new president.

Toshiba Chairman Taizo Nishimuro will be replaced by current President Tadashi Okamura, with Senior Managing Director Atsutoshi Nishida being promoted to president.

The previous talks broke down because managing directors and lower-ranking officials from the three firms got bogged down in debate over which of the two formats excelled in technological terms, the newspaper noted.

Now the three manufacturers aim to send their senior officials to the negotiating table for a top-down approach, before moving on to another discussion on technological matters, the Nikkei quoted the sources as saying.

The new round of talks will likely be attended by Matsushita President Kunio Nakamura, Sony's Chubachi and Toshiba's Nishida. The view is gaining currency at the three firms that their top executives should meet first regardless of the outcome, the report said.

So what the hell will the PS3 really have?

Link http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2005/06/19/afx2099887.html
 
Hopefully for us consumers a merged standard .

Both companys know that a battle will be long and bloody (dispite what some bluray fans may think ) and in the end cost both tons of money that will be greater than whatever has to be given up in a merged standard
 
jvd said:
Hopefully for us consumers a merged standard .

Both companys know that a battle will be long and bloody (dispite what some bluray fans may think ) and in the end cost both tons of money that will be greater than whatever has to be given up in a merged standard

Agreed (as much as I think bluray has a better chance -- as we've gone over this ;) ), a combined standard will be so much better for everyone.

I really hope these talks true and this is new news -- The more I look into it the more I dread having two formats out there.
 
Well the one problem is the ps3 . IF these talks continue into next year it may greatly affect the ps3 launch. So lets hope that either way they make a choice soon .

It would be bad if sony launched with bluray and then 3 months later toshiba and sony announce a joint format that doesn't work with the ps3 bluray drives .

Or if it keeps going and finaly at the last moment talks break apart and the ps3 has been pushed back for nothing
 
jvd said:
Both companys know that a battle will be long and bloody (dispite what some bluray fans may think ) and in the end cost both tons of money that will be greater than whatever has to be given up in a merged standard


And HD-DVD fans. Let's not forget them, shall we? ;)
 
Ty said:
jvd said:
Both companys know that a battle will be long and bloody (dispite what some bluray fans may think ) and in the end cost both tons of money that will be greater than whatever has to be given up in a merged standard


And HD-DVD fans. Let's not forget them, shall we? ;)

Who ? I don't think even pc-engine expects bluray to roll over and die . I don't think so. I've been saying it will be a war for a long time
 
Wow. If it were possible to get motion sickness from news, the blu-ray/HD-DVD drama would definitely be doing it to me. ;)

That being said I agree a top-down approach is the best way to go in a situation like this. And then if it fails, it fails for real. If it 'succeeds,' then the engineers, whether they want to or not, have to come to an accord of sorts.
 
It would be bad if sony launched with bluray and then 3 months later toshiba and sony announce a joint format that doesn't work with the ps3 bluray drives .

Nobody has to worry about this happening. That would never ever happen. Its just makes no sense at all. I hope they can come up with a resolution in the next week or two. *Gets on knees and prays to the heavens*

I just hope that they keep the Blu-ray disc structure.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I just hope that they keep the Blu-ray disc structure.

I'd be happy with either, really -- I just don't want to have to buy movies in two different formats.
 
mckmas8808 said:
It would be bad if sony launched with bluray and then 3 months later toshiba and sony announce a joint format that doesn't work with the ps3 bluray drives .

Nobody has to worry about this happening. That would never ever happen. Its just makes no sense at all. I hope they can come up with a resolution in the next week or two. *Gets on knees and prays to the heavens*

I just hope that they keep the Blu-ray disc structure.
we don't know what will happen or what will change , its a possibilty i listed as a problem if talks take to long
 
Bobbler said:
mckmas8808 said:
I just hope that they keep the Blu-ray disc structure.

I'd be happy with either, really -- I just don't want to have to buy movies in two different formats.

Yeah but I like the fact that Blu-ray can go up to 200GBs. Its transfer rates are faster too so you got to love that. If I can't get 50GB dual layers then I don't want a unified media disc. I would rather see Blu-ray win just like VHS did years ago.

That was a war but really how many people nowadays are actually hurting because of it. I mini-war would not be bad if that's what it comes down to. I don't want Sony to bowdown. :devilish:
 
mckmas8808 said:
Yeah but I like the fact that Blu-ray can go up to 200GBs. Its transfer rates are faster too so you got to love that. If I can't get 50GB dual layers then I don't want a unified media disc. I would rather see Blu-ray win just like VHS did years ago.

That was a war but really how many people nowadays are actually hurting because of it. I mini-war would not be bad if that's what it comes down to. I don't want Sony to bowdown. :devilish:

Oh, I agree with the fact that I'd much rather have the extra space/speed -- but at this point if it meant I would only need to buy a PS3 to play all the movies from all studios then I'd be suitably happy.
 
They're not just debating speed and transfer rates, mckmas8808. They're debating per-disc charges, profit-margins, IP rights to the format, use of the format, etc. Hence the debate.

I'd rather the fastest, biggest format that gives me the cheapest disc. But somehow I don't see that happening. ;)
 
They're not just debating speed and transfer rates, mckmas8808. They're debating per-disc charges, profit-margins, IP rights to the format, use of the format, etc. Hence the debate.

I'd rather the fastest, biggest format that gives me the cheapest disc. But somehow I don't see that happening

Thanks for educating me on what else they are discussing. But at the end of the day I'll be willing to pay a couple more dollars for a better media.
 
I wonder if these talks will cover any new territory, or if they will just be an initiation for some of the new people on the ins & outs of the format war?

Personally, I would like to have the extra Blu-Ray storage, but if I were selling a product (like HD movies & games) and I could save a few million dollars a year by releasing my product on HD-DVD with the same quality (with the exception of maybe having to use 1500Kbps DTS audio as opposed to lossless audio,) I am keeping the money.

I would be very curious to know which side is more active in pursuing these joint format talks? Maybe both sides want unification of some sort, but there has to be a bit more urgency coming from one side or the other.

Who keeps on stoking the fire when it seems to have been put out so many times?
 
I dunno if Sony would just leave the Ps3 in a "dead in the water" situation with the blu-ray format... :?
would it be possible for a unified blu-ray/HD-DVD format to still be compatible with the Ps3?
 
Avon_Implosion said:
I dunno if Sony would just leave the Ps3 in a "dead in the water" situation with the blu-ray format... :?
would it be possible for a unified blu-ray/HD-DVD format to still be compatible with the Ps3?
it coudl be , we don't know where the talks are heading or what will be changed.


If you are talking about my examples they are mearly possibilitys . Sony could allways launch a bluray player with the ps3 and use that to try and force a compatible stanadrd
 
mckmas8808 said:
They're not just debating speed and transfer rates, mckmas8808. They're debating per-disc charges, profit-margins, IP rights to the format, use of the format, etc. Hence the debate.

I'd rather the fastest, biggest format that gives me the cheapest disc. But somehow I don't see that happening

Thanks for educating me on what else they are discussing. But at the end of the day I'll be willing to pay a couple more dollars for a better media.

I dunno about that . If there is a large enough diffrence between the bluray and hd-dvd discs it may end up being lost more than a few dollars over time . I go through about 100 dvds a month (for burning home movies ) and if a bluray disc costs 2$ for me to buy an a hd-dvd disc costs me 1$ to buy (single layer both ways ) that will be a large diffrence over time .


Hopefully they can find a way to bridge the cost gaps that seems to still be there
 
Kutaragi has said that even if there is a unified format later, it won't affect PS3's launch. He won't delay for the format. So if any such format is to be included in PS3, I'd say it'd have to be very similar to Bluray (software changes only perhaps), unless perhaps they turn around an agreement in a matter of weeks.
 
Titanio said:
Kutaragi has said that even if there is a unified format later, it won't affect PS3's launch. He won't delay for the format. So if any such format is to be included in PS3, I'd say it'd have to be very similar to Bluray (software changes only perhaps), unless perhaps they turn around an agreement in a matter of weeks.
this would affect the ps3 greatly if the hybrid version is compataible .
 
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