Betrayed by Europe

[Sabastian]

I see, they are all left wing ideologs?? I severely doubt it.

So only "left-wing ideologists" could possibly be critical of the USA in a rational manner?

Again, indulge yourself and go read some more Ann Coulter. I have nothing more to say to you.

Are Americans in general stupid? Ignorant? Racist? Seems that sentiment represents the grounds for the vast majority of the hatred of Americans who are greatly influenced by the "intellectual" side of it, compromised mostly of left wing ideologist in media and unionized publicly funded education systems.

 

[L233]

You could always go read some more Noam Chomsky.

At least Chomsky can substantiate his arguments and that, like it or not, makes him a whole hell of a lot better than that drivel in the "Commentary" article or Sabastian's crusade against evil France.

 

[Willmeister]

Actually, we have our own version of Ann Coulter named Anne Kingston, and Sebastian is probably the only one in town who reads the National Post. It's such a rag they have to give it away because no one buys it. I live in outside Marysville and the two local convenience stores don't carry it (and I don't think Jackie's carries it either but I don't shop there much). You can get the Globe and Mail, TJ, Gleaner, and Acadie Nouvelle or whatever it's called, which is quite a feat considering this is Conservative country and if you want to hear French you have to turn on the television. They have to give the Post away on campus and I think I'm the only who actually picks one up before going to eat at the Cellar. Again, UNB ain't exactly a left-leaning campus but it's not Bob Jones either.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/columnists/annekingston.html

She basically went on a tirade that went like this: Kyotoism = Stalinism. She went on in a 'commentary' about how the Kyoto Protocol is one big socialist plot to destroy America, a stepping stone for one world government. She has brought hyperbole to new never-before-attained heights. Unsurpassed master of it. With her, Andrew Coyne is almost respectable...

Enough National Post bashing.

 

[L233]

Are Americans in general stupid? Ignorant? Racist? Seems that sentiment represents the grounds for the vast majority of the hatred of Americans who are greatly influenced by the "intellectual" side of it, compromised mostly of left wing ideologist in media and unionized publicly funded education systems.

Intellectual leftist ideoligists who utilize the media and the public education system to manipulate everyone into hating upright, all-good, gawd-fearing America. Oh and I forgot unionized.

Classical right-wing paranoia but I have to admire that you managed to combine all the great evils (from a right-wing radical's point of view) into one coherent sentence.

 

[DemoCoder]

You could always go read some more Noam Chomsky.

At least Chomsky can substantiate his arguments and that, like it or not, makes him a whole hell of a lot better than that drivel in the "Commentary" article or Sabastian's crusade against evil France.

Well, that's true, but everyone has their selection bias. Sebastian has his, you have yours. People love reading stuff that confirms their beliefs.

 

[Willmeister]

Classical right-wing paranoia but I have to admire that you managed to combine all the great evils (from a right-wing radical's point of view) into one coherent sentence.

Good one. It'll be my new sig. (If I can ever get the look that I want, that is).

 

[DemoCoder]

The only reason Ann Coulter is even popular is because she looks reasonably attractive in a little black dress, or shooting rifles.

But the connection between radical environmentalism and radical socialism/communism is a correct one.

 

[Willmeister]

Why, because they both have the term 'radical'? That's just retarded. Neither have anything to with the other, and quite frankly, it's unwarranted misrepresentation and a poor attempt at negative image transfer. And for people like Ms. Kingston, any and all environmentalism is 'radical'.

 

[L233]

Well, that's true, but everyone has their selection bias. Sebastian has his, you have yours. People love reading stuff that confirms their beliefs.

Yes, you're right.

I am biased. Chomsky is biased. Everyone is. Nothing wrong with it. I have no problem with people perceiving facts from their personal point of view and interpreting things differently. That's why we have debates, differing opinions, political parties and so on. And yes, people like reading stuff that they agree with. I know I do.

Still, there is a difference in quality. I can very well appreciate the arguments of right-wing analysts like Robert Kagan because they are well thought out and substantiated. I don't neccessarily agree but I consider stuff like that a valuable contrbution to the debate.

By the way, I am in no way a Chomskyite. I admire his rhetorical prowess and his shrewd charisma but I think he goes overboard half the time.

 

[L233]

But the connection between radical environmentalism and radical socialism/communism is a correct one.

It's true that many radical enviromentalists are also radical leftists but leftists are not neccessarily huge enviromentalists. Neither the Soviets and their satellite states nor the Chinese were tree-huggers.

They actually have a weird counterpart which probably only exists in Germany: neo-nazi enviromentalists. They're a tiny group though. They usually combine the good old blood-and-soil ideology with the notion that the soil must be preserved for future generations.

Also, there are religiously motivated enviromentalists. The German Green Party has a pretty sizable faction of devout Christians.

 

[epicstruggle]

Could some who lives in Europe answer the following question. Is the growing muslim population at the center of the growing anti-semitic sentiment in Europe. Is there even a growing anti-semitic sentiment?

later,
epic

 

[Geeforcer]

Could some who lives in Europe answer the following question. Is the growing muslim population at the center of the growing anti-semitic sentiment in Europe. Is there even a growing anti-semitic sentiment?

later,
epic

Playing with semantics a little, note that Arabs per definition can not anti-semitic, unless they are also self-loathing. Anti-Jewish is probably more accurate.

 

[PatrickL]

Jews are being persecuted every day in France

AHHAHAH. Did that guy ever came in france? It is so bullshit.

The only real fact is France is making a total difference between Israel as a country and the Jews. Simply because the way the government in israel is not looking for peace in our opinion. So most EUropeans countries stopped to stand always behind Israel government and want a more balnced politic with palestinian.

The very cheap trick used bad Israel is that campaign: if you are not with us you are against the jews.

I am sorry but sharon and his government are not THE jews they are just Israel government with a politic we have the right to dislike.

 

[epicstruggle]

Jews are being persecuted every day in France

AHHAHAH. Did that guy ever came in france? It is so bullshit.

The only real fact is France is making a total difference between Israel as a country and the Jews. Simply because the way the government in israel is not looking for peace in our opinion. So most EUropeans countries stopped to stand always behind Israel government and want a more balnced politic with palestinian.

The very cheap trick used bad Israel is that campaign: if you are not with us you are against the jews.

I am sorry but sharon and his government are not THE jews they are just Israel government with a politic we have the right to dislike.

Do you take a similar postion to Arafat, the palestinian govermnent, and the other terrorist organizations?? Or are they freedom fighters to you?

later,
epic

 

[PatrickL]

You like simplist positions so it is easier for you to categorize no ?

 

[Legion]

You like simplist positions so it is easier for you to categorize no ?

You are not answering his questions Patrick.

The very cheap trick used bad Israel is that campaign: if you are not with us you are against the jews.

I do not see this occuring at all. I am willing to wager the vast majority of people can decern between a valid disagreement with israeli politics and one's meant only as a guise for racism. I believe one major concern wrt to this issue is that the media isn't fairly representing Israel's position or for that matter incidents occuring within Israel. Considering what i have read I am lead to believe this is quite possibly so as i have seen such news agencies as Rueters propagating misinformation about events in Israel.

 

[kyleb]

Could some who lives in Europe answer the following question. Is the growing muslim population at the center of the growing anti-semitic sentiment in Europe. Is there even a growing anti-semitic sentiment?

later,
epic

Playing with semantics a little, note that Arabs per definition can not anti-semitic, unless they are also self-loathing. Anti-Jewish is probably more accurate.

wouldn't anti-Zionist be more to the point?

 

[Legion]

wouldn't anti-Zionist be more to the point?

Well considering Zionist and Jew as well as Jew, Christian and infidel are inseperable in muslim propaganda i would say undoutedly yes. Only Zionist would be one of many replacable nouns or adjectives describing Allah's great enemies.

 

[kyleb]

well you better tell that to Muslim's who run this site. also you might want to try and pass your insight on to the Jewish people here, although i'd imagne they are in a better possition to know than you are.

 

[Legion]

Here is an article written by news agency centered in Israel concerning matter relevant to the topic of this thread.