You forgot to add this quote. Dude probably indirectly slipped a number out too to further emphasis that difference.
Sounds to me like less than half a teraflop difference on the tiny, teeeny scale
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I mean; It’s sort of an unfair projection since they never used the words tiny difference. People who are on the 9 vs 12 camp is because they are looking at a legitimate github leak that so far has aligned effectively with everything else. And using that leak they see 9 v 12. They weren’t the ones saying that was a tiny performance difference.
One is spec talking; the other is realization of final output.
the difference between 4Pro and X1X is also 1fps difference btw. They also share pretty close FPS with the base consoles
Haha why yes, if PS3 renders Cyberpunk in 240p it would also be considered within 1-2 fps of difference to next gen consoles. I highly doubt O'dium was touting this without considering contextI mean; It’s sort of an unfair projection since they never used the words tiny difference. People who are on the 9 vs 12 camp is because they are looking at a legitimate github leak that so far has aligned effectively with everything else. And using that leak they see 9 v 12. They weren’t the ones saying that was a tiny performance difference.
One is spec talking; the other is realization of final output.
the difference between 4Pro and X1X is also 1fps difference btw. They also share pretty close FPS with the base consoles
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I have been fairly inactive in this thread lately but I just wanted to reply to bogus argument that people believe in 9.2TF v 12TF because they want console B to be stronger then console A, when truth is actually exact opposite.
Mr kettle meet Mr teapot.
Yes, we are aware...we're also aware the data is questionable.Both the 13TF and 9TF for PS5 have substantial leaks from insiders, only the 9TF can be backed up by data coming from AMD themselfs, which DF explained must be the PS5, although possibly not in final form. That's the state of it today. We are in the baseless section so anyone is offcourse welcome to discuss any leak, even if its unfounded or outright fiction, but every discussion will be discussed and countered, it's a forum
Yet you keep on jumping on leaks which favour PS5 based off the questionable 'hard data'.
I can't imagine any universe or anyone (other than yourself) that thinks 30% is tiny;
30% off sale
30% pay rise
30% over a speeding limit
30% bigger garden
30% cheaper to run
30% more FPS
None of these are considererd tiny, I could go on (forever).
At 9TF the PS5 will run games at about the same settings, frame-rate etc as the xsx. You can look at xone-x vs PS4 Pro, around that difference we can expect. It's a rather tiny difference if your not into digital foundry.
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You mean like a Logo? Yeah, I don't know the man from Adam but if he's the new face of Playstation marketing I'm..........unimpressed.
Well I mean yea I’m teasing youHaha why yes, if PS3 renders Cyberpunk in 240p it would also be considered within 1-2 fps of difference to next gen consoles. I highly doubt O'dium was touting this without considering context
But I guess for me; my experience here with Ubisoft. They don’t let in workers into NDA areas without a card. They don’t talk about NDA items in non NDA areas.
So at best; they are talking about the PC version. Few people will actually know the performance differences and talk about it outside of those closed doors.
I’m sorry; it’s just the way I read it. Every 3rd party studio will say it’s super close. They are partners and want their software to sell equally everywhere. Destiny 1 On PS4 and XBO are exactly the same; but there was a 30% performance difference. Very few will be able to tell the difference between Destiny 2 on XBO and PS4; and they leveraged the full power differential.
I’m not saying this to discredit the notion that the two hardware configurations could
Be close. But this is not the data I would use as a refute to the github leaks. One could easily poke holes through this.
the reality of the output is true that graphically they could look the same. I’m on the boat that whatever happens; 30% or 5% difference, the output will largely be the same.
but if we are talking technical specs; I have no reason to believe this testimony would refute what we have from github yet. These aren't the data points that will make Github go away.
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stop posting here and deliver Ray Traced Splinter Cell, lazy dev.Well I mean yea I’m teasing you
But I guess for me; my experience here with Ubisoft. They don’t let in workers into NDA areas without a card. They don’t talk about NDA items in non NDA areas.
So at best; they are talking about the PC version. Few people will actually know the performance differences and talk about it outside of those closed doors.
I’m sorry; it’s just the way I read it. Every 3rd party studio will say it’s super close. They are partners and want their software to sell equally everywhere. Destiny 1 On PS4 and XBO are exactly the same; but there was a 30% performance difference. Very few will be able to tell the difference between Destiny 2 on XBO and PS4; and they leveraged the full power differential.
I’m not saying this to discredit the notion that the two hardware configurations could
Be close. But this is not the data I would use as a refute to the github leaks. One could easily poke holes through this.
the reality of the output is true that graphically they could look the same. I’m on the boat that whatever happens; 30% or 5% difference, the output will largely be the same.
but if we are talking technical specs; I have no reason to believe this testimony would refute what we have from github yet. These aren't the data points that will make Github go away.
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You mean all the leaks from Ubisoft over the years have been fake because of there triple secret security?Well I mean yea I’m teasing you
But I guess for me; my experience here with Ubisoft. They don’t let in workers into NDA areas without a card. They don’t talk about NDA items in non NDA areas.
So at best; they are talking about the PC version. Few people will actually know the performance differences and talk about it outside of those closed doors.
Exactly, this is the counterpoint to everyone who keeps saying 8tf is no different to 12tf.
But then you go back on it. I guess you're one of those..........
No, that wont happen until Arden = PS5 is confirmed.
They will demonstrate it in an awesome trailer with next gen graphics only to remove it from the final game as per French Traditionstop posting here and deliver Ray Traced Splinter Cell, lazy dev.
Exactly like how they said it before last gen when 1.4 was no different from 1.8.
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Or when they said that the PS3 was actually more powerful than the x360.
I wouldn't confuse Sony marketing 'teh powah of cell' with what developers were saying.
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Well Sony did themselves no favors for sure, but there were a whole lotta Nvidia apologists out there pointing fingers. In the end, even they had to admit that RSX was a bit of a "dog".
There, now I've used "they" enough to build my own strawman army. Off to fight Proelite and his strawman defense!!
The Antonio Banderas gif, clickbait mainstream media, memes… all that noise (I mean feedback) 180’ing everything beg to differ.
I don’t really have a side to take here.You mean all the leaks from Ubisoft over the years have been fake because of there triple secret security?
Exactly, this is the counterpoint to everyone who keeps saying 8tf is no different to 12tf.
But then you go back on it. I guess you're one of those..........
No, that wont happen until Arden = PS5 is confirmed.
I work in data science now. It’s hard for me to ignore data; the point of my role is to analyze.
as for Ubisoft; it’s one thing to see or hear things about existing IPs on the office floor. But _no one_ knew about star link that was being made behind closed NDA rooms in Ubisoft Toronto.
so I disagree. When they are working on new IPs or NDA hardware they have proficient security in place to deal with things.
The account provided by odium is so detailed it’s too easy to track down who it was. It’s careless and reckless to write something like that.
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Are you sure you're talking about o'dium's account? The possible identification here was being given by OsirisBlack.
Had a quick flick through the pages.
Just wanted to say that saying XO - PS4 or 1X - 4Pro the power related to more than resolution. I would say any time it had more effects, framerate etc could be attributed to things other than just TF, memory bandwidth, memory organization and management like ESRAM.
Majority of the time TF was used to improve resolution only, obviously you will find the odd case where that wasn't the case. But don't forget TF isn't the only difference in the current gen machines.
Just wanted to say that saying XO - PS4 or 1X - 4Pro the power related to more than resolution. I would say any time it had more effects, framerate etc could be attributed to things other than just TF, memory bandwidth, memory organization and management like ESRAM.
Majority of the time TF was used to improve resolution only, obviously you will find the odd case where that wasn't the case. But don't forget TF isn't the only difference in the current gen machines.
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It didn’t help that PS4 had a huge RAM advantage on top of double the ROPs. I don’t expect such disparities this time around, and thus a significant raw TF difference would need to be present beyond a 40% compute gap.
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