Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
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Because that $300 was an old price that didn't account for inflation. PS4 was about the median price of a console when normalised to 2013 dollars - it wasn't expensive.
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First-year economics tells us price as a significant factor. $399.
That's the list price. You then add a game and second controller, you're asking $500 from new owners. And you're key selling points, why they'll pay over $500 for a new console, is because it can load a current-gen game instantly and play it at 60 fps. You really think that's going to get PS4 owners lining up to get this thing? At $500, it'd need some incredible must-have system-selling titles. TLoU2 and Dreams ports aren't going to be that.AbsoluteBeginner
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I think you either have trouble connecting the dots or you are unwilling to. Look at Komachis spreadsheet and think for a momentLol you really are bothered about that odd E0 chip. It has to be some kind of translation error from Komachi. I can't exist at all, it's a C, not a E !
Maybe you could ask yourself some interesting questions instead of doubting the source ? if it's the fifth chip, why didn't they call it C0 ? Why the odd E letter instead of C ? Either there are many others unknown previous revisions (how did Komachi miss them ?)... or they chose E after B because the letter 'E' means something. Maybe.
You can measure things in different ways. Is the difference between 10 dBa and 20 dBa a lot, or a little? 20 dBa is twice as much, so numerically it's a lot. When perceived in a quiet room, 20 dBa is more audible. Against the backdrop of normal everyday noise, both are silent.
A difference of 50% between 2 minutes loading and 3 minutes loading is a lot. A difference of 50% between 1 second loading and 1.5 seconds loading isn't (how many people here are arguing 50% is a lot for GPUs but not a lot for short load times?
)If what's on screen can't be perceived as much different, 30% difference in graphics isn't a lot for those who perceive it.
As ever, people get hung up on numbers. Numbers don't intrinsically mean much - they're just one way to talk about the world.
If considering the price of PS1, PS2 and PS4 normailzed to 2020 dollars, the highest price for very good transition should be somewhere between $449~499. Games in launch windows are the most important.Because that $300 was an old price that didn't account for inflation. PS4 was about the median price of a console when normalised to 2013 dollars - it wasn't expensive.
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$399.
I also speculate more discount in US ($499 with COD or $399 for the first 6 months since competition is stronger) while $499 is good in all countries.
He was often misquoted too, constantly having to reset the conversation to what he actually said versus an interpretation and the inevitable reaction again and again got old. I just don't think the forum had enough maturity to digest and discuss rationally and he grew tired of it.
This is little late to the party, but I'm pretty sure the language choices were based on the fact that AMD doesn't tell anyone anything about their partners chips which the partner hasn't said before. Thus, she says "partners have said they are using ray tracing" because that's what they've said, they haven't released the chip (specs) so Su can't comment in more detail no matter what she knows.
Even if you argue a $500 PS5 is the normal price, that won't get a faster adoption than previous which is what Sony are aiming for. What's going to make more people want a PS5 than they did a PS2 or a PS4?
I don't know if it's a binned Anaconda chip or a sperate chip but Lockhart is actually the most intruginig to me. I mean it sounds like you are essentially getting the same system minus the GPU grunt. I think it could be a sleeper hit if the price is differentiated enough.
There's just so little known about Lockhart that it feels like everyone is way off base with their current thinking its for consumer consoles. *shrug*
I doubt much of Sony's hardware planning is a reaction to MS or vice versa. The area both companies need to watch and plan for is services like game pass. That sort of incremental income in exchange for a steady stream of IP will affect the bottom line a lot more this coming generation.
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I think, based on what we have from Github leak (Sparkman) and what AquariusZi said in October it likely is small ~200mm2 chip.
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1570476662.A.7A0.html
Imo games in launch window are the most important.
PS5 may have better 1st-party titles. Besides PS5 has PS4 BC (Or even PS4 Pro Boost) while PS4 has no BC function. And I have to say I only predict 15~30% faster transition than that of PS4 which will be crazily good.
If we look at the mid-gen sales ratio. The vast majority of the current 100+ million PS gamers, which Sony wants to keep, are mostly the same ones who didn't think 2.3x more power was worth $100 more for the Pro. I don't see how 30% more teraflops could have a significant impact even if they end up the same price. There are much more important factors at play.
An accessible price or a price drop is important as soon as they had the launch peak from the early adopters who will buy it no matter what.
An accessible price or a price drop is important as soon as they had the launch peak from the early adopters who will buy it no matter what.
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Just let me say one more thing since this is baseless thread...
Below is a reason why I refrain from believing in vague "insiders" who repeatedly avoid to give any concrete info about what they allegedly know.
Kleegamefan's posts threadmarked on Resetera
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...9-for-flops-sake.162235/page-94#post-27945143
How would he know this? He started of as saying his old friend from one studio showed him internal next gen video, a vertical slice that is from USB. So going from that, to knowing why and when was PS5 cancelled is alot. Note he is not talking from position of guessing, he is saying "PS5 was originally planned to come out next month".
BTW, this rumor about BC being the culprit of PS5 development has been there for entire 2019...
"Where are MS insider evangelicals to clarify this?". You mean, where are guys that reported it 5 days before you posted this and XSX was announced at TGA?
Bingo to what? 64CUs 12.083TF? Started of as "I have seen NG game it looks amazingballs" to bingo to "64CUs at 1475MHz"? And even that is wrong, lol.
There are many more posts that are wtf inducing and more often then not, they don't really say much at all. Most specific prediction he had was "PS meeting is in February".
As for where he got that both consoles are 10+ TF?
So, even in best case where developer actually told him TF number, it was told " from what I know, both final console should have double digits TF." Thats obviously assuming he didn't make things up, but reading all threadmarked posts he had there I have to say, it really does sound far fetched. To hanging out with his old friend from studio XYZ to knowing when and why Sony cancelled 2019, and how many CUs are in XSX (and that was wrong) etc.
And now the most important thing to ask yourself is, if Klee confirmed 64CUs at 1475MHz, and he said in December he has specs, obviously he knows it from specs he has, right? But, Github has Arden at 56CU and 320bit bus, so it cannot possibly be that right? So the question is, why is he lying? Or is Github outdated for 320bit 56CU Xbox console as well?
I see alot of fluff in his posts, and when he tries to be specific, he makes mistake.
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It's hard to read into the mid-gen sales though. I think most people are aware of the difference between these mid-gen consoles and a new generation and were relucatant to spend money anyway. My take is there are probably a chunk of 360 owners from last gen(particularly in North America) that migrated to PS4 this gen that could possibly switch back once decision time comes.
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