Haven't seen it myself, but this was posted at rage 3d:
http://66.224.5.66/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33642344
http://66.224.5.66/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33642344
Ati shows 9700 with ddr2 on techtv?
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Doomtrooper
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I saw the show, no testing was done but they did show the card, be interesting to see the peformance gain.
Bigus Dickus
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Yeah, Leo's always concerned that the viewing masses might not understand such high tech terms like "bigger funnel" or "faster clock." 
He always has to cut in and 'clear things up' by using descriptive statements like "so, you're saying that this part over here now talks to this thingy faster than before?"
Interesting to know they have a working sample though. I wonder what the memory clock was?
He always has to cut in and 'clear things up' by using descriptive statements like "so, you're saying that this part over here now talks to this thingy faster than before?"
Interesting to know they have a working sample though. I wonder what the memory clock was?
That's very intresting!
It will be very intresting to see whether ATI would offer a DDRII variant of R9700pro when NV30 launches to further reduce the possible advantages NV30 could have over it... ATI are in a really good position right now, they're pretty much setup in all the segments in the market and the possibilities for reducing prices are pretty large and could hurt nVidia when they launch NV30 based cards...
It will be very intresting to see whether ATI would offer a DDRII variant of R9700pro when NV30 launches to further reduce the possible advantages NV30 could have over it... ATI are in a really good position right now, they're pretty much setup in all the segments in the market and the possibilities for reducing prices are pretty large and could hurt nVidia when they launch NV30 based cards...
Bigus Dickus
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Personally, I wouldn't expect the DDR-II on that engineering sample board to be running any faster than the DDR on the current consumer boards.
Aren't DDR-II manufacturers having a difficult time producing samples at high clock rates anyway? Why would they complicate their testing by using the most cutting edge (highest clocked) DDR-II they can get their hands on?
The ATI dude stated that it was fresh back from the lab (couple of weeks was his words I believe). I doubt that this is a validation sample, but more likely a first run engineering sample to check for memory controller compatibility and performance issues using DDR-II. They'll probably tack on some high speed stuff when it is a bit easier come by, and when they're ready to do final validation before production ramp.
Aren't DDR-II manufacturers having a difficult time producing samples at high clock rates anyway? Why would they complicate their testing by using the most cutting edge (highest clocked) DDR-II they can get their hands on?
The ATI dude stated that it was fresh back from the lab (couple of weeks was his words I believe). I doubt that this is a validation sample, but more likely a first run engineering sample to check for memory controller compatibility and performance issues using DDR-II. They'll probably tack on some high speed stuff when it is a bit easier come by, and when they're ready to do final validation before production ramp.
Well apparently according to the rumored specs of the NV30 it will only have a 128bit bus coupled with some fast DDRII.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47749&highlight=#47749
The Radeon 9700 has 256bit bus and by the looks of this showing on TechTV it will also use DDRII. If this is the case then surely ATI will have an NV30 "Buster" in wait. What else could it be that nvidia has done to possibly outdo the Radeon 9700 with DDRII? I am anxious to see just how this card from ATi will compare to the NV30. I am surprised there arn't more rumors floating around about ATIs NV30 "Buster".
The simple fact of the matter here is that nvidia does not own any special rights to this memory and ATI should be able to utilize the memory in conjunction with the Radeon 9700...... Further ATi should be able to put more of the cards on the market as they are already shipping and manufacturing, in volume, the Radeon 9700. So does nvidia have a leg to stand on? What could there be on the NV30 that would help it to outperform a 256bit bus coupled with DDRII memory that the Radeon 9700 will be endowed with?
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47749&highlight=#47749
The Radeon 9700 has 256bit bus and by the looks of this showing on TechTV it will also use DDRII. If this is the case then surely ATI will have an NV30 "Buster" in wait. What else could it be that nvidia has done to possibly outdo the Radeon 9700 with DDRII? I am anxious to see just how this card from ATi will compare to the NV30. I am surprised there arn't more rumors floating around about ATIs NV30 "Buster".
The simple fact of the matter here is that nvidia does not own any special rights to this memory and ATI should be able to utilize the memory in conjunction with the Radeon 9700...... Further ATi should be able to put more of the cards on the market as they are already shipping and manufacturing, in volume, the Radeon 9700. So does nvidia have a leg to stand on? What could there be on the NV30 that would help it to outperform a 256bit bus coupled with DDRII memory that the Radeon 9700 will be endowed with?
WhiningKhan
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If I were assigned to do the layout for a PCB having a 256-bit memory interface running at 1GHz, I would probably break into tears.
Actually, I just realized that ATI is in one hell of a bind regarding their product model naming. Specifically, if they don't move on from the Radeon name, what's the numbering for the next iteration?
10900? Ick.
Model numbers of almost all products are hundreds or thousands. Rarely does anyone go up into the ten-thousands or down into the tens or ones.
So, I wonder if they'll be forced into a name change of some sort to get out of the model number bind. I'm sure marketing is already mulling this one over.
10900? Ick.
Model numbers of almost all products are hundreds or thousands. Rarely does anyone go up into the ten-thousands or down into the tens or ones.
So, I wonder if they'll be forced into a name change of some sort to get out of the model number bind. I'm sure marketing is already mulling this one over.
Radeon X series.
Sort of like Mac OS...the awareness there will make the barrier for acceptance weaker. Oh, and "X" sounds sexy too.
Radeon X 100 ... a whole new lease on life.
Of course, a new name would work too, but I think the Radeon commonality up and down the product line is too important to them at this juncture.
Sort of like Mac OS...the awareness there will make the barrier for acceptance weaker. Oh, and "X" sounds sexy too.
Radeon X 100 ... a whole new lease on life.
Of course, a new name would work too, but I think the Radeon commonality up and down the product line is too important to them at this juncture.
Bigus Dickus
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V3 said:
Well, Mr. ATI on The Screen Savers made a comment about the R300 VPU "gobbling up" all the memory bandwidth they could give it... his suggestion was clearly that it was waiting on memory in the current state. I find that hard to believe, but I suppose as far as AA is concerned it's possible.
Humus said:
If that's true then maybe things aren't so bad for Nvidia after all. Instead we'll basically see both of the major graphics card companies taking a different approach: ATi will use slower DDR memory with a 256 bit bus, while Nvidia will use faster DDR-II with a 128 bit bus.
On the other hand since some of ATi's products will feature a 128 bit bus, it seems pretty obvious that they can easily change to that + DDR-II if that proves more cost effective. So, for that reason, I'd say ATi might still be in better shape as far as memory goes.
