ATI - PS3 is Unrefined
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Jawed said:
That looks like Dave's speculation. The quote just stated they'd have one or two 90nm parts by fall. Who knows, maybe he was referring to the 7300 go or something. The most obvious indication that there were no plans for a fall refresh on 90nm is that they didnt go for the 110nm gold with the original GTX. Why leave so much room on 110nm if you're planning on 90nm for your next part?
zidane1strife
Banned
AlphaWolf said:
Why work so hard when they can own so easily
I can not filtrate all the rumors, you know.DeanA said:
I think it came from a misunderstanding (WRT to the comment saying that it was twice as powerful compared to the actual Nvidia top of the line. While it was refering of course to the early G70).
Yeah, forgot about those, true.DeanA said:
Sorry for forgeting your work, Dean, but to my defense it was 4 in the morning when I wrote that.
mckmas8808
Legend
It's good to see that real PS3 developers are debunking what ATI said. At least NDA's don't get in the way of pure PR speak. It's also good to realize what we will have in store for us in future PS3 games will be remarkable.
I hope that's the truth.I'd like to see the outcome of this "console war",but from what we have seen in the near past sony was the winner having the worst hardware.So now that everyone sais that ps3 is slightlybetter or just equal to the 360 it should be a pice of cake for sonymckmas8808 said:
Not followed this thread for a couple of pages, but what has been "debunked" other than what was said about the E3 demos?mckmas8808 said:
Jawed said:
Doesnt Epic have a version of UT 2K4 for the MAC? Wouldnt using that code make running it on the PPE much easier? Nvidia also makes their GPUs for the MAC line of PCs as well. Maybe there wasnt much work going from their PPC version to PS3 devkit which makes 2 months much more understandable.
Are you suggesting that G70 taped out in March? Because if so, thats far from the case - I would estimate that initial tapeout would have occured late Q4 2004, with a fair amount of time prior to that to account for the design change to the ALU's (although much of the 110nm porting would have already been accomplished with NV44/NV43/NV42, so that work was already done).3roxor said:
The 90nm 6100 and Go 7300 did launch in that time, but then the 7300 was somewhat of a stealth launch and not really volume until they hit the desktop verion - I'm not really certain what is going on there. I'm not sure they planned a high end 90nm product before now, but my impression would be that ATI would have about a 6 month jump on them had R520 been were it was supposed to have been; wherever GTX 512MB came from it doesn't really seem like it has the volumes to last particularly long.trinibwoy said:
I'm curious as to what the "Type C" graphics cards in the latest devkits are now though - whether they are GTX 512MB's or 90nm parts (but not, b the sound of it, RSX).
overclocked
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Dave Baumann said:
I know those first two parts were launched but the 7300 is that for OEMs only cause i havent seen any?
7300 was already announced by ASUS as the Go 7300 in one of their notebooks. I don't know if the notebook is available now or not.
mckmas8808
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Dave Baumann said:
The following quotes have been debunked in one way or another.
He makes it sound extremely to simplistic. "Bolted on"
He breaks what we seen at E3 as either a real-time Unreal demo or movie that was dressed up as 'This is what you can expect from a PS3'. Well this is wrong. There were plenty of those videos that were running realtime and not like Killzone or Motorstorm.
I asked what has been refuted other than his E3 comments.
Whee! Eight pages because Richard Huddy likes ATI's/MS's design decisions better than NV/Sony's? Yeah, that's a shocker alright. How dare he.
Tho he prolly thinks he knows more about RSX than we do, and given how little we know, he might be right in that. Tho I'm less sure on the tradeoffs of specific design vs general design. But until we actually have more info on RSX, it's a pretty pointless discussion.
Tho he prolly thinks he knows more about RSX than we do, and given how little we know, he might be right in that. Tho I'm less sure on the tradeoffs of specific design vs general design. But until we actually have more info on RSX, it's a pretty pointless discussion.
Dave Baumann said:
There isn't a lot of solid stuff there to refute in the first place. The E3 stuff seemed to be the meat of his argument.
He only makes one other assertion (the PS3 GPU is "essentially" on a PCIe bus - so far I thought the only thing we *do* know about the GPU is that it's been redesigned for the PS3's own bus tech... the same bus any other alledged chip would have lived on anyway) and the rest is "my console is better than yours" rhetoric using these random claims to prop it all up.
Now given that he's:
a) Talking bollocks
b) Somewhat biased
I don't really think his opinions are worth the bandwidth being generated.
I mean not even MS have recently tried to play the numbers game... it's all "it's about the games not the tech" or at best "PS3 won't be significantly better" - but here's an ATI guy suddenly claiming that X360 will actually be much better?
His arguments hold no water - he's sounding *desperate*.
So never mind what's been refuted - what has he actually said that's truthful or insightful and worth our time analysing?
