New editorial from the Inq on the current state of 3d graphics. Not to be taken too seriously of course, but some good points are raised. 
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18029
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18029
"ATI is smug but Nvidia's the bug in the rug"
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I made some of the same observations and was labeled fanboy
Yep, an if ATI puts out yet another refresh by the end of the year with no 128 bit color or no SM 3.0, then what is the point of even putting out a product?
Doom 3 runs like hell (no pun intended) on my Radeon 9800 PRO with 128 megs of ram and on Medium Detail too at 1024x768x32 with 4.8 Catalyst drivers (optimized with everything in low detail from the control panel) and it sucks.
I have really enjoyed my Radeon over the past few years, but it does bother me that they are crap at releasing new drivers. They fix 30 things and then they break 30 more with each driver release.
It also bothers me that ATI keeps on putting out refreshes after refresh. (9800,9800xt,R420,R480, etc).
While I was unhappy about Nvidia's cheating and performance it now seems like ATI is doing a lot of the same things and I am not a fanboy of either company. I just want competition because it makes a better product and ATI just wants to give the industry back at least in the high end to Nvidia.
Its funny, if the Register had a post about something Anti-Nvidia, it would have been posted here and replies would be flying and it would be "FACT", but since its anti-ATI, nobody says anything and will say that they are full of FUD, etc.
In my world fair is FAIR and ATI rocked with the 9700 which is why I currently own an ATI product, but they seem to really be having issues over there of doing too many things at once and I think like it hurt Nvidia, its now hurting ATI.
I however am excited to see what ATI does with Direct X Next and what kind of technology will go into it from them.
Yep, an if ATI puts out yet another refresh by the end of the year with no 128 bit color or no SM 3.0, then what is the point of even putting out a product?
Doom 3 runs like hell (no pun intended) on my Radeon 9800 PRO with 128 megs of ram and on Medium Detail too at 1024x768x32 with 4.8 Catalyst drivers (optimized with everything in low detail from the control panel) and it sucks.
I have really enjoyed my Radeon over the past few years, but it does bother me that they are crap at releasing new drivers. They fix 30 things and then they break 30 more with each driver release.
It also bothers me that ATI keeps on putting out refreshes after refresh. (9800,9800xt,R420,R480, etc).
While I was unhappy about Nvidia's cheating and performance it now seems like ATI is doing a lot of the same things and I am not a fanboy of either company. I just want competition because it makes a better product and ATI just wants to give the industry back at least in the high end to Nvidia.
Its funny, if the Register had a post about something Anti-Nvidia, it would have been posted here and replies would be flying and it would be "FACT", but since its anti-ATI, nobody says anything and will say that they are full of FUD, etc.
In my world fair is FAIR and ATI rocked with the 9700 which is why I currently own an ATI product, but they seem to really be having issues over there of doing too many things at once and I think like it hurt Nvidia, its now hurting ATI.
I however am excited to see what ATI does with Direct X Next and what kind of technology will go into it from them.
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Personally I found it quite a thought-provoking article, it certainly represent a way of looking at the current market situation. However given that the conclusion was that one of the two has the upper hand, it's not really suprising that some folks start frothing.
Personally I found it quite a thought-provoking article, it certainly represent a way of looking at the current market situation. However given that the conclusion was that one of the two has the upper hand, it's not really suprising that some folks start frothing.
Personally I thought it was rather amusing that the reporter flat out, catagorically states that "ATI will have no Shader 3.0 part" the day after a Richard Huddy interview is posted that catagorically states that they will have! (Of course, thats also ignoring all the pointers that indicates this anyway)
(Of course, thats also ignoring all the pointers that indicates this anyway)
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I've been playing on an AIW 9800 PRO - I've not benchmarked it, or looked at any FPS, but the gameplay appears to be acceptible to me (1024x768, high detail, default control panel settings).
Proforma said:
I've been playing on an AIW 9800 PRO - I've not benchmarked it, or looked at any FPS, but the gameplay appears to be acceptible to me (1024x768, high detail, default control panel settings).
Wow, I read that one and all I could do is walk away shaking my head. Charlie penned a load of crock with that one. As Dave mentioned, blatantly saying that there will be no SM 3.0 part ever from ATI just isn't too keen. Charlie didn't do his homework.
Oh yeah, and calling Source a year old engine is just silly. If I remember correctly, Doom 3 was feature complete in terms of graphics 1.5 years ago! All they did was lots of polishing, physics, and content development from then on out. So where does he get off calling Doom 3 so much newer than Source? Plus, CS: Source doesn't even show off the really neat things that the engine can do! I don't think Far Cry is all that more powerful that Source either, in fact I tend to think that Source will probably end up looking better than Crytek's engine (once HL2 comes out in its full graphical glory).
My thought on the industry is that both ATI and NVIDIA are as evenly matched with products that differ enough from one another to give the majority of buyers something good to choose between. I don't think ATI is the dead duck here that Charlie describes.
Geeze, and you guys scream that I am biased!
Oh yeah, and calling Source a year old engine is just silly. If I remember correctly, Doom 3 was feature complete in terms of graphics 1.5 years ago! All they did was lots of polishing, physics, and content development from then on out. So where does he get off calling Doom 3 so much newer than Source? Plus, CS: Source doesn't even show off the really neat things that the engine can do! I don't think Far Cry is all that more powerful that Source either, in fact I tend to think that Source will probably end up looking better than Crytek's engine (once HL2 comes out in its full graphical glory).
My thought on the industry is that both ATI and NVIDIA are as evenly matched with products that differ enough from one another to give the majority of buyers something good to choose between. I don't think ATI is the dead duck here that Charlie describes.
Geeze, and you guys scream that I am biased!
Y'know, that article is just so over the top that I think it may not be what it is on first examination. :?
No one could get it that wrong, not even BB or DP would try and get away with something so blatant...me smells a sub-plot.
No one could get it that wrong, not even BB or DP would try and get away with something so blatant...me smells a sub-plot.
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Already ripped to shreds:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=354389#354389
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=354389#354389
You should see the replies on some nV fansites or on forums where they have a big nV-topic... All fanboys are acting like that article is a gift from above or like it's Jesus who has come back to earth to save them.
First they say that The Inq usually puts out crap, and now they say The Inq tells the absolute truth and nothing but the truth. It's really funny shit to read.
First they say that The Inq usually puts out crap, and now they say The Inq tells the absolute truth and nothing but the truth. It's really funny shit to read.
LINKS!CJ said:You should see the replies on some nV fansites or on forums where they have a big nV-topic... All fanboys are acting like that article is a gift from above or like it's Jesus who has come back to earth to save them.
C'mon, I need the funny too!
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well if it was fact and not fud we would. but i can see how you might not be willing to accept that the anti-ATI article was fud when you whine about:
and ignore the fact that nvidia's cards in the same price range don't do any better in doom3.
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well if it was fact and not fud we would. but i can see how you might not be willing to accept that the anti-ATI article was fud when you whine about:
Proforma said:
and ignore the fact that nvidia's cards in the same price range don't do any better in doom3.
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Well, when there are three or more monsters the framerate takes a huge dive and also it slows down in some areas drastically where there almost slow motion. I am towards the end now. I am out of Hell and back.
I don't agree with what the Inq said about ATI not having SM 3.0, they will but not until sometime next year. I can't wait that long and I don't want to buy another ATI Refresh right now.
I will probably see what the NV48 is like and I may go for that. I need SM 3.0 for my shader code and ATI is putting out a lot of FUD these days and they sound like Nvidia.
ATI gave Nvidia a good kick in the bottom and now I see Nvidia returning that favor.
I am not an Nvidia fanboy like a few people think I am, but dude last time its Nvidia's problem and this time its ATI's IMO.
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Well, when there are three or more monsters the framerate takes a huge dive and also it slows down in some areas drastically where there almost slow motion. I am towards the end now. I am out of Hell and back.
I don't agree with what the Inq said about ATI not having SM 3.0, they will but not until sometime next year. I can't wait that long and I don't want to buy another ATI Refresh right now.
I will probably see what the NV48 is like and I may go for that. I need SM 3.0 for my shader code and ATI is putting out a lot of FUD these days and they sound like Nvidia.
ATI gave Nvidia a good kick in the bottom and now I see Nvidia returning that favor.
I am not an Nvidia fanboy like a few people think I am, but dude last time its Nvidia's problem and this time its ATI's IMO.
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