Astronomy and space exploration

BTW: looking at pictures of the dragon capsule interior, I can see it not being a comfortable 3 days, you've gotta be OK with shitting in front of ppl as well I expect

Compared to other capsules (Russian / the Boeing thing) it is positively luxurious I think.
 
Compared to other capsules (Russian / the Boeing thing) it is positively luxurious I think.
perhaps but they I think are used from getting from point A to B, so you're less likely to need to do a shit or sleep "Typically it takes about six hours for a Soyuz spacecraft to chase down the International Space Station"
The boeing one seems to be slightly larger (though also small)

BTW : by pure coincidence I'm listening now to nofx's song 'showerdays'
 
Dragon does have a loo and curtain. Positive luxury compared to the 'shit in a bag' Apollo capsule.

It's not been explained how the Dragon toilet works though. Lots of suction I imagine.
 
Dragon does have a loo and curtain. Positive luxury compared to the 'shit in a bag' Apollo capsule.

It's not been explained how the Dragon toilet works though. Lots of suction I imagine.
OK thanks any pictures of the interior?, maybe the chairs fold away and other stuff comes out? I havent been able to find any good layout diagrams
 
What case do BO think they have ?

It's possible that they might think a number of their claims aren't strong, but when dealing with contracts of this magnitude a legal filing for even a chance at hundreds of millions to billions of revenue seems like a decent gamble.
Such disputes aren't uncommon in government procurement, though less frequent at this stage.

Some of the claims involve whether NASA weighed cost more as a factor than it indicated when it gave the metrics, as well as whether the competition was supposed to only have one winner rather than multiple for redundancy.
The review of the NASA decision by the government seemed to have disagreed with BO, indicating that NASA did warn them that it might not have enough funding from Congress to more than one, or even any, vendor.

While there are differences in the cases, it's not like such suits don't succeed, or don't correct some kind of oversight or bias in a government bidding situation.
SpaceX has itself sued to dispute contract awards and won (even after a review went against SpaceX), and while to us the reasons might be stronger, for legal purposes the determination is a question that isn't truly settled until a court decides.

Avoidance of corruption or bias in spending has the consequence that there's much more friction in spending it, particularly as the amounts are beyond the common experience in their scale. This also complicates matters in that companies best able to lobby or just have the staff that know how to navigate these mazes become the "best" solution because many others avoid the minefield entirely.
However, not knowing how to handle contracts at this level of scrutiny and scale has cautionary examples as well.
 
Apparently we have the most people simultaneously in space in history right now: 7 on the ISS, 3 on Chinese station & the 4 in this capsule.
Previous record seems to have been 13, hit several times.
 
OK thanks any pictures of the interior?, maybe the chairs fold away and other stuff comes out? I havent been able to find any good layout diagrams

This the only toilet shot I know of, if that's what you were after.


Plumbing diagram from the same thread.


I posted this while on the loo, thinking that I really wouldn't want to be with a few meters of anyone else right now.
 
emergency ventilation fan!
I suppose they've got that cause you never know how stinky some ppl are, me and my gf's shit don't stink but man, some peoples I've smelt :yep2: diets I expect

its a pity you dont want orbitting spacewaste otherwise you could just have a hole in the side, place your anus against it and then open the latch, it'll suck the shit right out of you ( maybe a few organs as well), but just think how empty you'll feel
 
its a pity you dont want orbitting spacewaste otherwise you could just have a hole in the side, place your anus against it and then open the latch, it'll suck the shit right out of you ( maybe a few organs as well), but just think how empty you'll feel

If ever my quality of life is so bad I want a way out, exiting existence by a thoroughly satisfying space poo does seem like a top 5 method.
 
Yeah I was surprised to see that but some said it’s a retro rocket intended to slowing down the capsule to soften the impact.

China, like Russia, does not have too many good locations for a splash down, unfortunately.
yes I assume like blueorigin capsule thats what they used, or some explosively inflating airbag, cause that explosion happened before it hit the ground
 
Like all the Soyuz capsules.
Its retro rockets that fire just before touchdown, that bit is normal.

But rough because the parachute was swinging so it wasn't vertical at the retro firing & wound up on its side -oof.
 
NASA unveils landing site on the moon for ice-hunting VIPER rover
By Mike Wall 14 minutes ago

VIPER will touch down in late 2023 just west of Nobile, a crater near the moon's south pole.

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A data visualization showing the mountainous area west of Nobile Crater and the smaller craters that litter its rim at the moon’s south pole. The Nobile region — the landing site for NASA’s ice-hunting VIPER rover — features areas permanently covered in shadow as well as areas that are bathed in sunlight most of the time. (Image credit: NASA)


We now know where NASA's first-ever robotic moon rover will touch down.

The ice-hunting Volatiles Investigating Polar Exploration Rover (VIPER) will land just west of Nobile Crater, which sits near the moon's south pole, NASA officials announced today (Sept. 20). In late 2023, VIPER will fly to the moon aboard Griffin, a lander built by Pittsburgh-based company Astrobotic that will launch atop a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket.

"Selecting a landing site for VIPER is an exciting and important decision for all of us," Daniel Andrews, VIPER project manager at NASA's Ames Research Center in Silicon Valley,,said in a statement.
https://www.space.com/nasa-viper-moon-rover-landing-site

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FAA releases draft environmental report on SpaceX Starship orbital launches
by Jeff Foust — September 20, 2021
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SpaceX personnel attach a Starship vehicle to its Super Heavy in an August test. Orbital launches of Starship/Super Heavy can't begin until after the FAA completes an environmental assessment of those proposed launches. Credit: SpaceX

KIHEI, Hawaii — A draft environmental assessment released by the Federal Aviation Administration suggests that SpaceX will be able to proceed with orbital Starship launches from Texas, but with a number of mitigations required.

The release of the Draft Programmatic Environmental Assessment (PEA) by the FAA Sept. 17 starts a public comment period that will run through Oct. 18, with two virtual public meetings scheduled for Oct. 6 and 7.

The FAA required the assessment before deciding whether to issue a launch license or experimental permit to SpaceX for orbital launches of its Starship/Super Heavy vehicle.
https://spacenews.com/faa-releases-draft-environmental-report-on-spacex-starship-orbital-launches/
We're almost there. Fingers crossed.
 
The EPA can still say no / demand a review that'll take 12months +. It seems unlikely from what the likes of Foust and Berger are saying, but it's not impossible.

Assuming it goes through, the extension from 5 launches a year to many might take a while. Seems like SpaceX put 5 launches in the proposal as it kept the average noise within the original Falcon 9 licence.
 
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