Are we... poisoning poor children?

[zidane1strife]

Incidentally, dental fluorosis is now at near epidemic proportions in the US. The largest US government survey looking into the matter recently noted that roughly one-third of children living in fluoridated areas have dental fluorosis on at least 2 teeth. The British government review, noted above, reckoned that approximately 48% of children living in fluoridated areas develop some form of dental fluorosis, with roughly 12% developing fluorosis of great enough severity to cause significant esthetic concern.

http://www.redflagsweekly.com/connett/2002_july29.html

Centers for Disease Control:

"The prevalence of dental caries in a population is not inversely related to the concentration of fluoride in enamel, and a higher concentration of enamel fluoride is not necessarily more efficacious in preventing dental caries."

"Crippling skeletal fluorosis might occur in people who have ingested 10-20 mg of fluoride per day for 10-20 years."

In setting the recommended maximum contaminant level for fluoride in drinking water in 1986, EPA considered only crippling skeletal fluorosis as a health effect and established little or no margin of safety, even for this disease. (A margin of safety is a difference between the maximum contaminant level and the level at which health effects first occur in the most susceptible individuals.) According to a Department of Agriculture survey, about 3% of the U.S. population drinks 4 L or more or water per day. Therefore, about 3 % of the people who live in areas where the water contains the natural fluoride level of 4 ppm allowed by EPA -- such as certain communities in Texas or South Carolina -- are ingesting at least 16 mg of fluoride a day, not including the fluoride they derive from other sources, such as toothpaste, food, or air.

In short, if you truly care about poor children, don't give them poison - give them genuine care.

Amazing, what do you guys think?

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[Guden Oden]

I didn't know AIR was a significant source of fluoride...



Are they on crack or something, or do they know something I don't know?

(Btw, fluorinating drinking water and dental hygiene products is a dumb idea. Fluor is actually very poisonous. Toothpaste is enough, really.)

 

[zidane1strife]

Check this article, it sent chills down my spine...

http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/2/fluoride_safety.htm

I'll have to verify the citations/references, but if it turns out to be true... all I can say is OMG.

Here's a few comments:

citation: "Fluoride is more poisonous than lead, and just less poisonous than arsenic."

- Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products - 1984

Maximum Contaminant Level Allowed In U.S. Drinking Water:

Arsenic -- 50 Parts Per Billion
Lead -- 15 Parts Per Billion
Fluoride -- 4000 Parts Per Billion

Source: EPA National Primary Drinking Water Standards (July 1987)

"When historians come to write about this period, they will single out fluoridation as the single biggest mistake in public policy that we've ever had."

- Paul Connett, PhD, Biochemistry

"Water fluoridation is the single largest case of scientific fraud, promoted by the government, supported by taxpayer dollars, aided and abetted by the ADA and the AMA, in the history of the planet."

- David Kennedy, DDS President International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology

"Sodium fluoride is a registered rat poison and roach poison. It has been a protected pollutant for a very long time."

- William Hirzy, PhD President of the Union of Professional Employees of the EPA

"sodium fluoride is a very toxic chemical, acting as an enzyme poison, direct irritant and calcium inactivator….It reacts with growing tooth enamel and with bones to produce irreversible damage."

- Granville Knight, MD president of the American Academy of Nutrition
Congressional Record, 31 July 56

"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable."

- Charles Gordon Heyd, MD, president, AMA

"no physician in his right mind would hand to his patient a bottled filled with a dangerous drug with instructions to take as much or as little of it as he wished… And yet, the Public Health Service is engaged upon a widespread propaganda program to insist that communities do exactly that…The purpose of administering fluoride is not to render the water supply pure and potable but to contaminate it with a dangerous, toxic drug for the purpose of administering mass medication to the consumer, without regard to age or physical condition."

- L. Alesen, MD, president of the California Medical Association
Robotry, p14

"Fluoridation is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has."

- Albert Schatz, PhD Nobel Laureate for discovering streptomycin
quoted in Sutton's Fluoridation:The Greatest Fraud

"More people have died in the last 30 years from cancer connected with fluoridation than all the military deaths in the entire history of the United States."

- Dean Burk, PhD National Cancer Institute -- Fluoridation:A Burning Controversy

"Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not of all time."
- EPA scientist, Dr. Robert Carton (Downey, 2 May 99)

 

[zidane1strife]

Another quote, didn't want to clog my prior post:

Adding fluoride to the drinking water causes bioaccumulation in our cells, year after year. If fluoride is in the water, it's everywhere:

* growing vegetables and fruit
* washing vegetables and fruit
* in the meat of animals who have drunk fluoridated water
* in toothpaste
* in canned foods
* in processed foods
* in soft drinks
* in beer

A 1998 laboratory analysis done at Sequoia Analytical Labs in California showed very high concentrations of fluoride in the following foods:

* Dole pineapple, canned
* Snapple
* Coke Classic
* Hansen's soda
* Minute Maid orange juice
* Gerber strawberry juice for babies
* Amstel Lite beer
* Rice Dream
* Sunny Delight orange drink
* Pepsi

These are just a few examples of fluoride levels in some common grocery store items consumed by most Americans. The point is that there's an notable fluoride content in many, if not the majority of processed foods in our refrigerators and pantries.

edit, some more info

If fluoride is so great, why have the following countries either never fluoridated or else stopped when they found out how bad it was?:

* West Germany
* The Netherlands
* France
* Belgium
* Finland
* Sweden
* Norway
* Denmark
* Japan
* Italy
* Scotland

Only about 2% of the population of Europe is subjected to fluoridated water.

edit one more quote:

"The proponents of fluoridation do nothing more than try to impugn the objectivity of those who oppose fluoridation."- Judge John Flaherty
Pennsylvania Supreme Court

Judge Flaherty wrote a letter to the Mayor of Auckland, New Zealand stating:

"…In my view the evidence is quite convincing that the addition of sodium fluoride to the public water supply at one part per million is extremely deleterious to the human body, and…there is no convincing evidence to the contrary."- The Arthritis Trust, 1994

Edit 3:

It seems there are some notes at the end of the 3 page article, they clarify mistakes done in the main article, and as such IT'S IMPORTANT THEY be READ.

 

[Guden Oden]

To my knowledge, Sweden has never fluorinated our drinking water. Some areas may chlorinate the water as an antibacterial agent, but they don't do that where I live (the source is very pure already, heh! ).

 

[London Geezer]

If fluoride is so great, why have the following countries either never fluoridated or else stopped when they found out how bad it was?:

* West Germany
* The Netherlands
* France
* Belgium
* Finland
* Sweden
* Norway
* Denmark
* Japan
* Italy
* Scotland

Only about 2% of the population of Europe is subjected to fluoridated water.

And of course, i would be in that 2%... My luck hey...

 

[Simon F]

And of course, i would be in that 2%... My luck hey...

I guess you're not in a "Three Valleys Water" area then.

 

[London Geezer]

And of course, i would be in that 2%... My luck hey...

I guess you're not in a "Three Valleys Water" area then.

Thames water........ :? And i do drink it from time to time.................

 

[horvendile]

Purity of essence!

 

[Basic]

I was in San Francisco two years ago, and I started coughing when taking a shower. The strong smell from the fluorinated water was to much. I thought it was put ther for antibacterial reasons (and thus that there was problems with getting fresh water in the area), but according to zidane1strife's quotes it's "for the purpose of administering mass medication to the consumer". That seems quite odd to me.

Now a followup question: Do you drink tap water? Is it advisable to do so in your area?

I drink ~2 litres of tap water a day, and find little reason to drink bottled water around here. Even though the water isn't as pure here as in Jokkmokk (where I've lived for half a year).

 

[Kristof]

And of course, i would be in that 2%... My luck hey...

I guess you're not in a "Three Valleys Water" area then.

Just checked since I am in a "Three Valleys Water" area:

FLUORIDE 0.094 mg/l
Fluoride naturally occurs in the water in many areas. Three Valleys Water does not add any fluoride to your water. Fluoride is measured in milligrammes per litre (mg/l).

K-

 

[Nappe1]

Now a followup question: Do you drink tap water? Is it advisable to do so in your area?

I drink ~2 litres of tap water a day, and find little reason to drink bottled water around here. Even though the water isn't as pure here as in Jokkmokk (where I've lived for half a year).

yes, I do drink tap water. and it is adviseable here. Only thing which tastes even better is the crystal clear water on those small streams coming down from fjells (right word? I know it's "fjäll" in swedish and "tunturi" in finnish, but in english?) in lapland.

 

[Humus]

I don't think the english language makes a difference between mountains in general and the particular kinds of mountains we call "fjäll" in scandinavia, so I don't think there's a word for it in english. At least the dictionaries I've looked into says plainly "mountain".
And yes, drink directly from creeks running down the mountains is the best tasting water you get. Doesn't get much cleaner than that. In Luleå I had pretty good tap water. Here in Toronto it's not as good though. Drinkable if you're thirsty, but doesn't taste as good. I just drink milk and juice instead.

 

[Sonic]

There are hills, does that count?

I do drink tap water back in my homestate (Delaware) but not in San Fran. The tap water in San Fran isn't to my liking so I went ahead and got a reverse osmosis filtration system put in. I have no clue if that help or anything but the water isn't nearly as hard was it was before. That thing cost nearly $5,000 and covered 3 and a half bathrooms, and the kitchen sink. And the fridge.

I never knew fluoride was that bad. Is the dentist putting fluroide on your teeth bad?

 

[Simon F]

Only thing which tastes even better is the crystal clear water on those small streams coming down from fjells (right word? I know it's "fjäll" in swedish and "tunturi" in finnish, but in english?) in lapland.

Do you mean as in...?:

fell
1. An upland stretch of open country; a moor.
2. A barren or stony hill.

[Middle English fel, from Old Norse fell, fjall, mountain, hill.]

 

[Humus]

2. is close in that it's barren and stony, but I wouldn't call it a "hill". The definition of a "fjäll" is a mountain that's high enough for there to be no trees and litte to no vegetation at the peak (except maybe for mountain avens and other stubborn kinds) and in general be partly covered with snow. I guess most mountains at like 1000m and above would qualify as fjäll.

Basically, this is what a fjäll looks like. When it's beyond the green, it can be called a fjäll.
http://esprit.campus.luth.se/~humus/Pictures/Mountain/Image21.jpg

 

[davefb]

*bah* was gunna answer "so whats a fell then" and simon beat me


note , you go "fell-walking" , you dont go mountain walking. so i'd add that a fell is a "big hill" that you walk on, and a mountain is something you climb ?

-dave-

 

[tobbe]

And yes, drink directly from creeks running down the mountains is the best tasting water you get.

Agreed. btw I knew a guy who had a house in the mountains, bit north of Ã…re, he told me he once had a visitor who said "this is the best bloody water Ive ever tasted! It doesnt taste anything at all!"

I drink ~2 litres of tap water a day, and find little reason to drink bottled water around here. Even though the water isn't as pure here as in Jokkmokk (where I've lived for half a year).

There was a feature on Swedish Radio P1 yesterday about how bottled water was becoming so popular. They said that with basically no exceptions, tap water is healthier in Scandinavia.

 

[davefb]

friends uncle had a summer house on the islands near stockholm . . now *that* water wasnt too good . .

-dave-

he sold it coz he had hoped to put full water supply in,, but he couldnt dig deep enough to stop the water pipes from freezing during the winter :-/

 

[linthat22]

Very good topic. I've researched this stuff for a little over a year and since I have found out all the bad stuff I went and bought a water purifier. I seriously recommend the Berkey Light with the PF-4 elements. You wanna talk about clean water, that's about it. I use it now for everything. I highly recommend it. Plus you don't have to buy replacement filters, just clean the Black Berkey purification elements. AWESOME!!!!