Move to another country I guess?
Just for Apple products? Other electronics come in at better prices, even consoles (when msrp ofcourse).
In Denmark the base M1 Ultra model is only $5280 with 25% VAT ($4225 with no VAT). But we both know it doesn't matter what the price is specifically for you. You weren't going to buy it either way.
Only? The base model for well north of 5000 dollars still isn't anywhere what you'd pay for a Intel/NV/AMD etc combo. And thats the base model, which atleast here means no 64cores gpu and not the 800gb/s BW.
And no i wont be buying it because i do not do video/image export and creation, for that its the ultimate device, if you use the specific workloads. If your into CUDA then you'd want NV, for example.
The basic users don't need the Mac Studio or Alder Lake or a high-end RTX, jeez. The Mac mini at $699 and $1099 MacBook Air is great for general computing / office work. If you are a photographer the base Mac Studio is a straight up bargain at $1999.
But its the Ultra 64core gpu variant that is being compared to Alder Lake and other x86 cpu's, mainly. And these are very far from eachother in price. Same for the GPU.
Macbook air at 1100 dollars is a good deal for sure (and again here we pay 1500 for the 8gb model), but then again it depends on use-case and what your going to do with it. If its office-work on the go its a great choice in special due to battery. On the other hand for that price you can get a Zen3 5800H/RTX3070m/32gb combo, 120hz ips screen and generally acceptable quality (aluminium case, quite good cooling and build quality) with a asus G15 laptop at around the same price. I wouldnt know why in the world anyone would choose for the m1 air other than ecosystem or battery-life. Performance they are very, very far apart. And then you can game on the asus aswell. With W11, the android integration is really good, its not as solid as Apple's tight integration, but then again your free to use whatever other manufacturer's device you'd like to pair with windows.
I don't quite understand why some of you are so eager to shit on everything Apple here? Why even join the conversation if it's all just negative sentiment?
In the same vein, some of you are shitting on everything that isn't Apple. Look at this one, this post is very much against MS, non-Apple products:
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/2245352/
He has already doomed non-Apple before that has happened.
@PSman1700 Different localities will have price deviations, but he’s not wrong to say that $4k usd is the launch price of the studio with M1 ultra.
I’ll be curious to see how it stacks up against a 12900k or 5950x build with something like a 3070 or better.
Not sure why people get so worked up about boosting or downplaying these Apple socs. The node advantage is real and accelerators aren’t cheating. If the end user experience is good, then it’s a good product. There will be places where pcs and windows win, especially on the graphics side, but Apple will have its wins too.
Very easy to find game devs and programmers who are very happy with Apple silicon and the performance they get unplugged. Same with video editors etc.
The launch price of the base Ultra, which is not the product that is generally being used to 'demolish' the high-end Intel Alder Lake gaming cpu in the graphs. What about comparing in the same price-class, like we usually get reminded of in the console sections? You'd be looking at the base M1 Ultra at 4000 dollars (US pricing), with that money, what would you get going with an alder lake and RTX gpu system? (msrp ofcourse).
How it stacks up against a 5950x/3070dgpu etc, probably depends alot on what tasks are being used. When the m1's media accelerators are put to use, its going to be crazy fast. It will be the same as we see with the M1 max now, just in a higher performance-tier, were comparing desktop/stationary products this time.
Accelerators arent cheating no, they kinda exist on NV gpus too. It all depends on workloads. What is interesing is raw compute power, perhaps not geekbench but other real world scenerario tests, which will come soon enough.
And to cover the last bit, its that some are dooming Microsoft, intel, Amd, Sony, NV etc because of Apple Sillicon, which i dont find abit early to claim. In special with Alder Lake we see quite nice improvements even on x86, its not all that bad as some imagine it is. And indeed, Apple has its advantages, where they always have had them, content creation/media and its ecosystem, if your into those its probably better then a windows/linux etc machine.
