Anyone know the cost difference between brd discs and dvd?

[mckmas8808]

Just stop the presses with all this technical crap!!

Plain and simple with one will more than likely have a bigger user base?

 

[jvd]

Again why buy another hidef player that's expensive when you upgrade to a HDTV when the PS3 is one.

It doesn't have the movies you want ? Or another option is much like the ps2 and xbox is that they don't put out the image a dedicated player has .


Anyway its hard to say if the trojan horse will work for sony . In the first few years we are talking sub 20m units . That is not a lead that is impossible to make up. Esp if hd-dvd gets the jump this holiday

 

[randycat99]

Getting the player out there and into people's homes before they know they want HD movies means when they do want HD movies, it's just a matter of buying the discs that play on the console.

What's the point of buying HD BR movies to watch on a SDTVs?

To "future-proof" purchases that you will be adding to your video collection. Also you gain access to the "latest edition" of whatever video title (remasterings of video and sound, documentary features, etc) vs. buying the "older" DVD version (which may lack certain features/extras). Plus it will just be a step "kewler" than buying a "standard" DVD.

You may not have the means to get the ultimate benefits of hi-def, right away, but you have at least acquired those benefits in store for when you eventually are able to play in hi-def.

 

[jvd]

Not many will do that randy unless the bluray version costs the same as the dvd version which i doubt they will be doing

 

[PC-Engine]

Getting the player out there and into people's homes before they know they want HD movies means when they do want HD movies, it's just a matter of buying the discs that play on the console.

What's the point of buying HD BR movies to watch on a SDTVs?

To "future-proof" purchases that you will be adding to your video collection. Also you gain access to the "latest edition" of whatever video title (remasterings of video and sound, documentary features, etc) vs. buying the "older" DVD version (which may lack certain features/extras). Plus it will just be a step "kewler" than buying a "standard" DVD.

You may not have the means to get the ultimate benefits of hi-def, right away, but you have at least acquired those benefits in store for when you eventually are able to play in hi-def.

That sounds kinda similar to buying a PS2 to play PS1 games while waiting for PS2 games. Why not just wait for PS2 games to be available to buy a PS2? Why not just wait for a HDTV to buy BR movies?

Not many will do that randy unless the bluray version costs the same as the dvd version which i doubt they will be doing

Good point.

 

[mckmas8808]

Anyway its hard to say if the trojan horse will work for sony . In the first few years we are talking sub 20m units .

Ok read what randy type after you.

You may not have the means to get the ultimate benefits of hi-def, right away, but you have at least acquired those benefits in store for when you eventually are able to play in hi-def.

Can you see where we are getting at. Its not rocket science. With you working in a videogame store I thought you would know that most people aren't rich. If you can save $500+ why spend it. Why not spend it on...

1. 4 next-gen video games = $200 (if games are $50 a piece)

2. 10 hidef Blu-ray movies = $250 (if movies cost $25 a piece)

3. PS3 accessories = $50+ (i.e. extra controller, memorystick, HDD, etc.)

Again not rocket science.

 

[jvd]

No pc engine . I agree with them that some users will buy bluray movies because of the ps3 . But many will not keep buying them if they have sdtv . They wont see a diffrence besides the price

The trojan i'm wondering about is tl hd-dvd . If they can have this ready near launch it may be game over for bluray .

You can go to a blockbuster and rent a dvd / hd-dvd movie . Thus hd-dvd will be supported as they can support a high def format with no self space increase .

Or you can go to best buy and buy a hd-dvd / dvd version of the movie and they save shelf space thus supporting hd-dvd .

 

[scooby_dooby]

And knowing that consumers who have barely enough money to pay all their bills(the majority of people) are not going to spend EXTRA money for absolutely nothing tangible is not rocket cience either.

There will be a tiny, miniscule fraction of people looking to "future-proof" their DVD collections that's about it.

And how smart is it to "future-proof" with a standard that is not even accepted by the industry yet?

 

[PC-Engine]

No pc engine . I agree with them that some users will buy bluray movies because of the ps3 . But many will not keep buying them if they have sdtv . They wont see a diffrence besides the price

The trojan i'm wondering about is tl hd-dvd . If they can have this ready near launch it may be game over for bluray .

You can go to a blockbuster and rent a dvd / hd-dvd movie . Thus hd-dvd will be supported as they can support a high def format with no self space increase .

Or you can go to best buy and buy a hd-dvd / dvd version of the movie and they save shelf space thus supporting hd-dvd .

Yep hybrids sound like a better choice for people with SDTVs and standard DVD players.

 

[randycat99]

Again why buy another hidef player that's expensive when you upgrade to a HDTV when the PS3 is one.

...Or another option is much like the ps2 and xbox is that they don't put out the image a dedicated player has .

This is often brought up, but largely irrelevent, in practice. This is "digital", we are talking here. Player to player, things will be more alike (to the point of splitting hairs), than different. The rest is pretty much zeroed out "in analog" when you calibrate your settings.

The only real distinction left is special play features, which is already getting into the realm of gimmicks and gadgetry. As far as the mass market is concerned, the standard functions such as play, FF, FR, and pause will be covered for how people typically watch a movie.

 

[jvd]

This is often brought up, but largely irrelevent, in practice. This is "digital", we are talking here. Player to player, things will be more alike (to the point of splitting hairs), than different. The rest is pretty much zeroed out "in analog" when you calibrate your settings.

I dunno about that you can still see an image diffrence between a 20$ dvd player and a 200$ dvd player . It will be the same next gen

 

[randycat99]

Not many will do that randy unless the bluray version costs the same as the dvd version which i doubt they will be doing

I don't think you are the authority on the customer psyche to say they will or not. If the movie title on an advanced format is what they have an eye on, and the price is reasonable, they will buy it. Simple. Whether or not there is price parity is absolutely irrelevant (or VHS tapes would still dominate over DVD's).

 

[mckmas8808]

And knowing that consumers who have barely enough money to pay all their bills(the majority of people) are not going to spend EXTRA money for absolutely nothing tangible is not rocket cience either.

Listen scooby a blu-ray player comes built-in the PS3. Consumers will have to pay nothing to upgrade to a Hidef movie player when they get a HDTV.

On the other hand people will have to pay extra (close to a $1000) for HD-DVD when it's first introduced. A stand-alone player that expensive probably will not be sold when a consumer buys a $2500 HDTV.

 

[randycat99]

This is often brought up, but largely irrelevent, in practice. This is "digital", we are talking here. Player to player, things will be more alike (to the point of splitting hairs), than different. The rest is pretty much zeroed out "in analog" when you calibrate your settings.

I dunno about that you can still see an image diffrence between a 20$ dvd player and a 200$ dvd player . It will be the same next gen

Yeah, look at the extreme you had to depict. People who are buying "$20 DVD players" aren't really going to care if there is a difference. People who seek to pay 10x the price are looking for extra features, flaunting status, and/or will "see" a difference whether one legitimately exists or not, simply out of pretense that they bought something 10x the cost for "some reason".

 

[PC-Engine]

On the other hand people will have to pay extra (close to a $1000) for HD-DVD when it's first introduced. A stand-alone player that expensive probably will not be sold when a consumer buys a $2500 HDTV.

But people who buy a HD DVD player will be guaranteed to be buying HD DVD movies. Then you add the fact people without HD DVD players will also buy HD DVD movies because it's on a hybrid DVD/HD DVD disc. IOW hybrid DVD/HD DVDs will be sold even if nobody buys HD DVD playrs.

People who buy PS3 are not guaranteed to be buying BR movies for reasons already noted.

 

[randycat99]

And knowing that consumers who have barely enough money to pay all their bills(the majority of people) are not going to spend EXTRA money for absolutely nothing tangible is not rocket cience either.

Listen scooby a blu-ray player comes built-in the PS3. Consumers will have to pay nothing to upgrade to a Hidef movie player when they get a HDTV.

On the other hand people will have to pay extra (close to a $1000) for HD-DVD when it's first introduced. A stand-alone player that expensive probably will not be sold when a consumer buys a $2500 HDTV.

Adding to your point, mckmas, I think this pretty much sums up the vicious loop scooby_dooby (aka chap) seems to have carved out for himself. He makes the argument about people counting their last pennies to make it through the month, but then suggests $1k hi-def players and big screen HDTV's are somehow more worthy/likely purchases for that same demographic?...

 

[mckmas8808]

On the other hand people will have to pay extra (close to a $1000) for HD-DVD when it's first introduced. A stand-alone player that expensive probably will not be sold when a consumer buys a $2500 HDTV.

But people who buy a HD DVD player will be guaranteed to be buying HD DVD movies. People who buy PS3 are not guaranteed to be buying BR movies for reasons already noted.

True true, but doesn't Blu-ray have more hardware support? Thus making more in-house competition, thus giving us the consumer a lower price between the Blu-ray makers. Blu-ray will have stand-alone players too it's just the PS3 is a GREAT way to introduce people to a hidef movie that they probably wouldn't have cared about for another year or two.

And I hate to say this, but I have to anyway. Look at the PSP. They are selling UMDs at a GREAT rate even though UMDs are overpriced and give less content. I think the UMD as a format should be a good indication of what a videogame system can do for a new format media.

It introduces it to the masses in a undermining way. How many UMDs would have sold had it came on dedicated devices without the PSP? Not much imho.

A videogame system only can help a new introductory movie format not hurt it. Remember that.

 

[randycat99]

Also take note how hdtv installed base (wrt hi-def player installed base) and price parity between DVD vs. hybrid HD-DVD suddenly become nonissues in pce's argument, like they were for the BR scenario.

The bottomline here is that the adoption of HD-DVD and BR are at a dead heat, in of themselves, before you account for BR has the trump card with a HUGE trojan horse that is PS3. After you account for PS3, the tables are radically turned. The only recourse left for jvd and pce are to greatly hope PS3 is a miserable failure (gee, ya think we've seen evidence of this, yet?).

 

[PC-Engine]

Also take note how hdtv installed base (wrt hi-def player installed base) and price parity between DVD vs. hybrid HD-DVD suddenly become nonissues in pce's argument, like they were for the BR scenario.

The bottomline here is that the adoption of HD-DVD and BR are at a dead heat, in of themselves, except BR has the trump card with a HUGE trojan horse that is PS3.

But you cannot play BR movies in standard DVD players. With hybrid HD DVDs you can. There are much more DVD players out there then anything PS3 can muster.

 

[randycat99]

So people are now going buy an "overpriced" HD-DVD hybrid of a movie they could get on plain DVD, where they would not for BR? 'kay...