AMD: R9xx Speculation
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chavvdarrr
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Your point is?Second compared to G92's nth renames? You've got a good comparison there. Oh wait, its Sontin, never mind then.
I see how you'd defend a killer:
"But your Honour, he killed only 1 (2-3-4) person(s), while many others have killed MORE!"
"When a man lies, he murders some part of the world"
Excuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ereLAqxvGzc
I'm talking about ATi's margins. I mean, that with ATi's market share and mentioned results, they can't have high margins.
There is a difference even in this case, how do you think judge will look at one time murderer vs serial killer?
AMD definitely isnt innocent, but Nvidia is on whole new level of anti-innocence In consumer GPU market AMD have record margins AFAIK, just they dont have Pro market with insane margins, like NV does.
Check up-to date products, it's performance, branding and you'll find out, that it doesn't work like that and many products of the same generation marked with a higher number are in fact slower. And it also doesn't explain, why Caman isn't HD6800, why R600 was HD2900 etc.
http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/diy/11962049.html Interesting stuff inside.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Presumably AMD has made improvements even on the same 40nm process. Otherwise why bother with all the effort if 5x00 is still better, and can continue being sold? 6x00 has to be better if it's going to be sold as the "new & improved" range.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Another thumbs down for the new HD6 series, still half vent openings...we get it AMD...you want to market Eyefinity as a "major feature"...but i bet with you...even less gamers care about Eyefinity than 3D....so losing more exhaust cooling to this "feature" makes the realist gamer a sad panda.
It makes little difference. It just means the same volume of hot air has to travel twice as fast as it exits through a vent that's half as small. It's not like these vents are pressure limited.
Twice as much pressure meaning....fan has to spin twice as fast... or half the volume of air possible at twice the fan rpm...i think it makes a different..
Lol @ the 3DVantage score...its been 2 years and AMD still cannot deliver a gpu twice as fast as 4870 1GB ...in perf/$...the days of rapid gpu evolution are gone...i loved the times when it went from ps/vs to unified and then hundreds of sp..it made the just launched consoles look dated already....
Lol @ the 3DVantage score...its been 2 years and AMD still cannot deliver a gpu twice as fast as 4870 1GB ...in perf/$...the days of rapid gpu evolution are gone...i loved the times when it went from ps/vs to unified and then hundreds of sp..it made the just launched consoles look dated already....
http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/diy/11962049.html Interesting stuff inside.
So HD6870 is 63% faster than the 5770, and as fast as the 5850
And the HD6850 is 44% faster than the 5770. I think the 6850 will have the same price point of the 5770 at launch: same dissipator, similar pcb lenght.. oh and i see that also has 4 display output instead of 3.
I think we'll see very nice performance jump with the first 28nm products.
My chinese is lacking but from the numbers some dude posted the HD6850 would just be very slightly slower than a HD5850 and a HD6870 likewise slightly slower than a HD5870. Now is this good or bad? Well if you were arguing higher numbers must mean better performance, these parts should rot in the garbage bin, but on technical merit this imho sounds quite good since they achieve that score with quite a bit less shaders (and only a small clock bump). So if the power consumption figures we saw earlier hold up we'd also get some perf/W increase. For the technical merit score though I'd still be missing the die size, if that's nearly the same of Cypress I couldn't call it a success but if that's in the middle between Cypress and Juniper or smaller that would be quite good. Though judging on some leaked 3dmark score and other rumors seems a bit sillyhttp://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/diy/11962049.html Interesting stuff inside.
.UniversalTruth
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You can use google translate. And these results: 3D06 run sub- 19 480 for HD 6870 and Run sub-3D06 18750 for HD 6850 are much worse than 20833 for HD 5850 and 22595 for HD 5870 from here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/26.html
You can not compare them directly because the architectures are different.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/26.html
You can not compare them directly because the architectures are different.
My chinese is lacking but from the numbers some dude posted the HD6850 would just be very slightly slower than a HD5850 and a HD6870 likewise slightly slower than a HD5870. Now is this good or bad? Well if you were arguing higher numbers must mean better performance, these parts should rot in the garbage bin, but on technical merit this imho sounds quite good since they achieve that score with quite a bit less shaders (and only a small clock bump). So if the power consumption figures we saw earlier hold up we'd also get some perf/W increase. For the technical merit score though I'd still be missing the die size, if that's nearly the same of Cypress I couldn't call it a success but if that's in the middle between Cypress and Juniper or smaller that would be quite good. Though judging on some leaked 3dmark score and other rumors seems a bit silly
Maybe in the end Barts is just a bit bigger than Juniper, and Cayman a bit bigger than Cypress. But if Cayman has double the performance of Bart, there is still a performance hole in their line-up (the 5830) or am i wrong?
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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It doesn't work like that. The air isn't so dense and the vents so small that you are going to have to spin the fan at twice the speed to increase the pressure. The fan will run at the same speed, and the existing pressure will already be enough to push the same volume through the vent. The air will just run faster through the lowered vent volume. Don't forget, this is already being done on the current 5x00 series heatsinks, and the fans don't spin at twice the speed. It's already a non-issue.
You're probably thinking of heatsink areas where less surface area means less heat dissipation.
DarthShader
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One positive I see in the Barts = 68XX branding - the possibility of having double precission enabled.
But renaming Juniper would be an outrage. :/
But renaming Juniper would be an outrage. :/
UniversalTruth
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Yep, only one, better than nothing. I think I am missing this generation. I hope in HD 7000 series everything will be back to normal.
I think I am missing this generation. I hope in HD 7000 series everything will be back to normal. 4870 was around 230 euros, where right now 5770 is sold for 120 euros.
Same performance for half the price, so double perf/$
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