I did not try to claim, it´s the truth, if your drive fails out of warranty you have to pay for the repair it´s not the manufactures problem. You make it a problem by saying that "then they don´t buy games" of course not, if they choose to not get it repaired?
So your argument is that manufactures should consider the reliability of optical drives because if a drive breaks down, then the customer might not get it repaired and then he/she wont buy more games.....?
Lets just play with this scenario, that would be someone that either didn´t have a lot of games since they would be worthless without a working console or someone that didn´t really should have bought the console to begin with since they didn´t need it for games.
"My blu-ray is broken i will stop buying movies"
I did not try to claim, it´s the truth, if your drive fails out of warranty you have to pay for the repair it´s not the manufactures problem. You make it a problem by saying that "then they don´t buy games" of course not, if they choose to not get it repaired?
So your argument is that manufactures should consider the reliability of optical drives because if a drive breaks down, then the customer might not get it repaired and then he/she wont buy more games.....?
Lets just play with this scenario, that would be someone that either didn´t have a lot of games since they would be worthless without a working console or someone that didn´t really should have bought the console to begin with since they didn´t need it for games.
"My blu-ray is broken i will stop buying movies"
I'm not talking about consideration in buying the device, I'm talking about lost opportunity to sell games. If a console fails under warranty that's a cost to the manufacturer if it fails outside of the warranty, some consumers might wait to repair it, some might not bother, some might switch, some might get pissed off and never buy another product from them again... all of those options wind up with a cost to the manufacturer. Just like increased profile and power use increase costs for shipping. Is it a huge number no, but it's far from a non issue from the manufacturing side. If Sony can be bothered to remove a few USB ports, they certainly care about things like warranty charges and consumer retention.
Joe Public most certainly cares about the cost of his console.
Consumers love it when they have to repair their own products and they always do so immediately regardless of cost. True or false?
They already do. They care about these things because they matter. Flash was not a viable alternative when current consoles shipped, capacity was way too low. This is not necessarily true in 2013 or 2014.
And assuming they decide to repair that device and not buy a competitors product the money is still coming out of their entertainment budget.
Microsoft have the most unreliable console ever produced and it´s a hit, they have customers that have returned their consoles for repair for 10+ times (27 is the top?) they have customers that learned to live with that "soon my console will fail... again".
Microsoft did the right thing... at last, but until then, you did not see their sales drop off, and they still make a succesfull console, with the history of the worst reliability story ever seen in the console world.
I just don´t see how your argument can be considered important in this.
How about
My blu-ray player is broken but I have rent due , car payment and grocery bills so I gotta wait on buying a new bluray player. 3-5 months down the line consumer picks up a new bluray player. now there is 3-5 months of loss sales .
My ps3 bluray drive broke and I didn't buy games for almost 6 months and i only bought uncharted 2 cause i was able to install a custom firmware .
its a very real posiblity esp as consumers these days have more and more outlets for gaming
Stop with your MS trolling. Sony produced the ps1 and ps2 both of which had amazingly high optical drive failure rates. Do you even remember video game history ? ps1 and ps2 both had disc reading problems and sony lost law suits against them and had to extend their warrentys and replace them.
Perhaps you don't remember because the internet was not as big then as it was in 2005 but these were huge problems .
I wil just rerun this:
Microsoft have the most unreliable console ever produced and it´s a hit, they have customers that have returned their consoles for repair for 10+ times (27 is the top?) they have customers that learned to live with that "soon my console will fail... again".
Microsoft did the right thing... at last, but until then, you did not see their sales drop off, and they still make a succesfull console, with the history of the worst reliability story ever seen in the console world.
I just don´t see how your argument can be considered important in this.
MS is paying for those repairs, do you understand this? They set aside $1billion in addition to the expected repair budget to cover that cost. No one is talking about optical being a fucking barrier to adoption they are talking about the reality of its cost extending beyond the media production.
You brought up the problem with consoles breaking down (it does not really matter what breaks, its still broken). I showed you a perfect example of a very breaking product that still produced lots of succes and where the consumers still supported it. And this was before Microsoft "found out" that they had a real problem and extended the warranty to 3 years on specific errors.
I think you are overplaying this reliability card a bit.
RROD wasn't due to DVD drives failing. Maybe MS shouldn't have put a GPU in the 360, it'd have prevented RROD and the $1 billion warranty cost. See how stupid that sounds? Optical drives won't fail more than other required parts in a console if they're designed properly.MS is paying for those repairs, do you understand this? They set aside $1billion in addition to the expected repair budget to cover that cost. No one is talking about optical being a fucking barrier to adoption they are talking about the reality of its cost extending beyond the media production.
Optical drives won't fail more than other required parts in a console if they're designed properly.
RROD wasn't due to DVD drives failing. Maybe MS shouldn't have put a GPU in the 360, it'd have prevented RROD and the $1 billion warranty cost. See how stupid that sounds? Optical drives won't fail more than other required parts in a console if they're designed properly.
Good you bring them up, did it hurt Sonys software and hardware sales? I don´t think so, did Sony change media eventhough they had this history? Nope.
Not for free, you lose out more console sales, more software sales, and more royalties (around $8-10 per game) if your games are more expensive than the competition.We know the flash is more expensive per cart vs disc. But we also know that the price can be passed on to consumers.
I think it's fair to say that over time a disk drive has a higher chance of failure than chips.
Anyway, that isn't the point. We can agree that flash will (always) be more expensive than a disc? Right. So I would be very interrested if somebody can come up with numbers on money that might be saved from not including a disk drive and the decreased costs in shipping, storing, producing etc.
If we are just going to keep argue whenever flash might become cheap enough vs a disk we will never get anywhere. It's a matter a costs saved in other areas will make up for the more expensive flash.
Not for free, you lose out more console sales, more software sales, and more royalties (around $8-10 per game) if your games are more expensive than the competition.
Yet by choping off $30-$50 a console your able to get more consumers. Many consumers by few games a year and the extra $5 per game will not affect them if they get $50 savings up front. It would take them buying 10 games before the flash console becomes the same price as the optical and all the while they will be enjoying faster load times and perhaps better graphics .
i'm sure if your someone who buys 15 games a year it might work out to be more expensive but if you buy 1 to 2 games a year like many casuals it will hardly matter in the end.
You also forget that this generation we had a $10 price incrase in games. The 3DS is also increasing games by $5 .
It'd be at least 10 bucks not 5, you're underestimating the costs of flash. If the PS3 had $60 games and 360 had $70 games, 360 would sell a lot fewer games. Price increase for a new generation is different, as you can see the visual differences. PS3 and 360 look pretty much the same.
