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I'm sure that Typedef will tell you how well UT2003 runs in tripple view on his rig
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I'm sure that Typedef will tell you how well UT2003 runs in tripple view on his rig
Nagorak: Surround gaming works at (3x800)x600 mode...
and PLEASE! UberLord and Nagorak, don't start this again! why everybody can't be happy and so selfish that doesn't care if someone thinks that buying Parhelia is okay??
Why everyone tries to convince all the others that card they even don't have seen themselves is bad?
for me, for now on, there's only good and better cards. (I'll reserve The best for future... most likely it will be reserved forever.) There isn't such thing as generally bad card. It all depends what you want from your card. if someone wants to get games running on their best frame rates, go for Radeon 9700 Pro, if someone absolutely needs three monitors, there really isn't much choices. If someone needs absolutely best driver compability with games, then it's time to look at nVidia's offerings. to someone avg. 50 fps with 3 monitors on 800x600 is a way better than 150 fps on one monitor with 1600x1200 and vice versa.
Is it so hard to understand that you cannot say which is better to someone if you even don't know what he wants?! I am so full of this "absolutical comparing" where inviduals needs are forgotten and everything is so generalized that there isn't anyone that would fit on that frame.
that was my rant so far.
and PLEASE! UberLord and Nagorak, don't start this again! why everybody can't be happy and so selfish that doesn't care if someone thinks that buying Parhelia is okay??
Why everyone tries to convince all the others that card they even don't have seen themselves is bad?
for me, for now on, there's only good and better cards. (I'll reserve The best for future... most likely it will be reserved forever.) There isn't such thing as generally bad card. It all depends what you want from your card. if someone wants to get games running on their best frame rates, go for Radeon 9700 Pro, if someone absolutely needs three monitors, there really isn't much choices. If someone needs absolutely best driver compability with games, then it's time to look at nVidia's offerings. to someone avg. 50 fps with 3 monitors on 800x600 is a way better than 150 fps on one monitor with 1600x1200 and vice versa.
Is it so hard to understand that you cannot say which is better to someone if you even don't know what he wants?! I am so full of this "absolutical comparing" where inviduals needs are forgotten and everything is so generalized that there isn't anyone that would fit on that frame.
that was my rant so far.
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Anybody catch that Dark Crow comparison that was posted yesterday?
I really digged the Antialiasing comparisons...
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/ut2003aa.jpg
Amazing just how "slow" the Parhelia really is compared to the rest, eh? And then there were the quality comparisons...
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/all-FA.jpg
The amount of misinformation surround this card is pretty bad. Look, it's not going to rip a 9700 a new A-hole, when it comes to pure speed...but it's no slouch either.
But I'm tellin' you guys...I was sitting here last night, and did a before/after with Surround Gaming for my girlfriend. She was really blown away by the quality of the thing...but in terms of immersion/etc., there's NO comparison...
There's not a single feature that has the impact of S.G...none. Not Shaders, T&L, etc. Have never had a more usable feature in all the years I've been buying 3D boards. And Matrox adds, seemingly, at least 1-2 titles per week to the list.
When you're in single-monitor mode, it feels like somebody has just restricted a huge percentage of your peripheral vision compared to S.G. I flipped it right back to S.G., and she was just totally amazed.
And like I've said before...aside from games, if you're a "developer"...be it graphics, software, hardware, etc. You will totally love having 3 desktops. I took a digital shot of my 3 displays a few days ago for a co-worker, in which I had JBuilder, MSDEV, and MSDN up on each of my 3 displays...and I was telling him this is how I go about work when @ home, and he was like, "Dude...holy sh*t, that setup just rules."
I really digged the Antialiasing comparisons...
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/ut2003aa.jpg
Amazing just how "slow" the Parhelia really is compared to the rest, eh? And then there were the quality comparisons...
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/all-FA.jpg
The amount of misinformation surround this card is pretty bad. Look, it's not going to rip a 9700 a new A-hole, when it comes to pure speed...but it's no slouch either.
But I'm tellin' you guys...I was sitting here last night, and did a before/after with Surround Gaming for my girlfriend. She was really blown away by the quality of the thing...but in terms of immersion/etc., there's NO comparison...
There's not a single feature that has the impact of S.G...none. Not Shaders, T&L, etc. Have never had a more usable feature in all the years I've been buying 3D boards. And Matrox adds, seemingly, at least 1-2 titles per week to the list.
When you're in single-monitor mode, it feels like somebody has just restricted a huge percentage of your peripheral vision compared to S.G. I flipped it right back to S.G., and she was just totally amazed.
And like I've said before...aside from games, if you're a "developer"...be it graphics, software, hardware, etc. You will totally love having 3 desktops. I took a digital shot of my 3 displays a few days ago for a co-worker, in which I had JBuilder, MSDEV, and MSDN up on each of my 3 displays...and I was telling him this is how I go about work when @ home, and he was like, "Dude...holy sh*t, that setup just rules."
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/ut2003aa.jpg
That's pretty good for a card that seemed so slow in its first reviews.
That's pretty good for a card that seemed so slow in its first reviews.
Shoot but I'm not impressed when I see only edge AA or just Multisampling coming into play, and texture quality gets elegantly overlooked.
Botmatch numbers show anyway that the only card that will not suffer with every inch of AA and anisotropic maxed out in UT2003, is the 9700.
Under that light, shoot me, but if I'd upgrade today I'd buy at least a Radeon9500PRO for obvious reasons. Parhelia remains a luxury item for hardware enthusiats and only few from the average gamer crowd can afford to buy 2 extra monitors for it.
It's an excellent card for what it's set to do; at 200-250$ I wouldn't have much reason not to look at it. But as soon as I average all the other minor or major aspects that I'm interested in I can't help but see more potent sollutions on the market right now or about to launch.
Botmatch numbers show anyway that the only card that will not suffer with every inch of AA and anisotropic maxed out in UT2003, is the 9700.
Under that light, shoot me, but if I'd upgrade today I'd buy at least a Radeon9500PRO for obvious reasons. Parhelia remains a luxury item for hardware enthusiats and only few from the average gamer crowd can afford to buy 2 extra monitors for it.
It's an excellent card for what it's set to do; at 200-250$ I wouldn't have much reason not to look at it. But as soon as I average all the other minor or major aspects that I'm interested in I can't help but see more potent sollutions on the market right now or about to launch.
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Typedef Enum said:
I shows a similar setup to my Director - he's now in the process of buying me a new PC with a Parhelia and 3 LCD's
Running 3 19" CRT's on one desk was nice - but very very cramped. Plus the CRT's were interferring with each other.
The bonus was that I was writing code substancially faster - IE the company saves money because I'm more productive
Well, I got interested about TypeDef's links and dig up the whole article... and suprisingly, this time they have english version available too:
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/englishdirectory/englishcontent.asp?idx=3&contentpage=1
I would say that it can't be same card that Matrox presented on July... But it has to be... just unbeliable results. Is anyone able to confirm these are real? Anyone having a possibility put Parhelia against Ti4x00 and Radeon 9x00 on UT2003 and on other major games?
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/englishdirectory/englishcontent.asp?idx=3&contentpage=1
I would say that it can't be same card that Matrox presented on July... But it has to be...
just unbeliable results. Is anyone able to confirm these are real? Anyone having a possibility put Parhelia against Ti4x00 and Radeon 9x00 on UT2003 and on other major games?
http://www.3dcenter.de/artikel/directx8_grafikchips_roundup/
I've a minor disagreement as to why still people compare Supersampling with Multisampling (or FAA in the specific case), without using at least 2xLevel Aniso for the latter two.
Too bad they didn't run any 2x Aniso tests at all in that roundup.
edit:
Just read DarkCrows review. I assume after seeing that one:
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/all-FAAA.jpg
Since there's no clarification on settings used that the following results:
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/ut2003aaaf.jpg
are to be translated as:
Radeon9700= 6xMSAA + 16xLevel Anisotropic
GeForceTi4x00= 4xMSAA (or 4xS ???) + 8xLevel Anisotropic
Parhelia= 16xFAA + 2xLevel Anisotropic
I've a minor disagreement as to why still people compare Supersampling with Multisampling (or FAA in the specific case), without using at least 2xLevel Aniso for the latter two.
Too bad they didn't run any 2x Aniso tests at all in that roundup.
edit:
Just read DarkCrows review. I assume after seeing that one:
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/all-FAAA.jpg
Since there's no clarification on settings used that the following results:
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/bench/ut2003/ut2003aaaf.jpg
are to be translated as:
Radeon9700= 6xMSAA + 16xLevel Anisotropic
GeForceTi4x00= 4xMSAA (or 4xS ???) + 8xLevel Anisotropic
Parhelia= 16xFAA + 2xLevel Anisotropic
Well, this is just UT 2k3 viewed in isolation...this isn't really surprising, is it?
It IS, however, interesting....is this a product of the change from early UT 2k3 to release UT 2k3, Parhelia driver improvements, simply UT 2k3 settings adaptation taxing the card differently (I still don't know enough about this), or something else?
I'm hoping it is the driver optimization option and that this will have impact on many other demanding games as well (who reallyc ares if it affects the games that aren't demanding...).
It IS, however, interesting....is this a product of the change from early UT 2k3 to release UT 2k3, Parhelia driver improvements, simply UT 2k3 settings adaptation taxing the card differently (I still don't know enough about this), or something else?
I'm hoping it is the driver optimization option and that this will have impact on many other demanding games as well (who reallyc ares if it affects the games that aren't demanding...).
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Nappe (or others),
It might seem hard to believe, but this _is_ the same card. I have been saying all along that I've been really surprised at the level of performance of Surround Gaming...
The thing that I think most people have been guilty of is the following...They would look at, for example, Quake3 scores and basically say that (based on the lower than Ti4600/9700 numbers) there's no way in hell that it can be used...
But the truth of the matter is that, across the board, I have used Surround Gaming in just about every single known S.G. title, and have _yet_ to find one that cannot be used with this card...based on performance.
They most clearly have done a very good job in getting the performance levels up...Hell, they had nowehere BUT up to go! I mean, they've been completely out of the loop, in terms of having a viable graphics chip, for a good number of years now...Optimizations would eventually find their way into the drivers, and I think we're just now seeing this happen...
Furthermore, did you see that one blurb (I think it was also @ Crow's) on Parhelia professional OGL performance? I mean, the levels totally spiked in going from one driver release to the next! Hell, I would be willing to bet that they didn't so much as tune their drivers for those types of applications, wanting to focus strictly on compatibility.
Anyhow, I think I've made my feeling on this thing rather clear, and I'm sticking to the story...This board was never given much of a chance, and it's a shame. It has a lot to offer, beyond just 3D gaming. In terms of tangible/immediate benefits, I have yet to see a single one come even close to Surround Gaming...abou the only thing that will change this will be Doom III, and we all know that we're going to see a generation beyond where we are today when that game finally surfaces (heck, maybe even 2).
It might seem hard to believe, but this _is_ the same card. I have been saying all along that I've been really surprised at the level of performance of Surround Gaming...
The thing that I think most people have been guilty of is the following...They would look at, for example, Quake3 scores and basically say that (based on the lower than Ti4600/9700 numbers) there's no way in hell that it can be used...
But the truth of the matter is that, across the board, I have used Surround Gaming in just about every single known S.G. title, and have _yet_ to find one that cannot be used with this card...based on performance.
They most clearly have done a very good job in getting the performance levels up...Hell, they had nowehere BUT up to go! I mean, they've been completely out of the loop, in terms of having a viable graphics chip, for a good number of years now...Optimizations would eventually find their way into the drivers, and I think we're just now seeing this happen...
Furthermore, did you see that one blurb (I think it was also @ Crow's) on Parhelia professional OGL performance? I mean, the levels totally spiked in going from one driver release to the next! Hell, I would be willing to bet that they didn't so much as tune their drivers for those types of applications, wanting to focus strictly on compatibility.
Anyhow, I think I've made my feeling on this thing rather clear, and I'm sticking to the story...This board was never given much of a chance, and it's a shame. It has a lot to offer, beyond just 3D gaming. In terms of tangible/immediate benefits, I have yet to see a single one come even close to Surround Gaming...abou the only thing that will change this will be Doom III, and we all know that we're going to see a generation beyond where we are today when that game finally surfaces (heck, maybe even 2).
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I don't agree with you Nappe1 there is a thing called a bad card they still make those let me think ah here is one Gf2 mx 400 record holder of most recorded problems no matter what system you have..... so I would lable that a bad card cause it is working poorly in general.........
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