A Wall between US/Mexico

[epicstruggle]

Im in favor of curtailing the flow of illegal aliens coming from mexico. Keep in mind that not everyone coming over that border illegally is a mexican, many are actually foreigners coming through mexico. Id like to see a massive wall built from end to end to secure this border. You could even use some mexican labor to have it built.

later,
epic

 

[StealthHawk]

Not sure how much that would help things, considering many illegal immigrants already tunnel under the Mexican/USA border.

 

[epicstruggle]

Not sure how much that would help things, considering many illegal immigrants already tunnel under the Mexican/USA border.

go 20/30/40 feet deep. also you could put ground sensors, it could be remotely placed, and call in when it thinks something fishy is happening.

later,
epic

 

[jvd]

How about land mines ?

Or how about making a cannal and on our side having a huge wall. Make the cannal 40 feet deep . Throw some sharks with laser beams on their heads . On the other side of the wall place land minds. Then another wall. Then a pit full of lions . THen another wall .

If someone gets through all that then they get to stay .

 

[epicstruggle]

does a country have a right to protect its borders?? If it feels that land mines are necessary should it be able to use them?? BTW the rio grande is a natural canal.

later,
epic
ps yes, and yes.

 

[StefanS]

does a country have a right to protect its borders?? If it feels that land mines are necessary should it be able to use them?? BTW the rio grande is a natural canal.

landmines against humans are banned...

 

[Blade]

I'm in favor of some sort of border that's tougher to go across.

I'm also in favor of Ellis Island, of course.

 

[Florin]

Mexico? Can't we start at Texas?

 

[Humus]

Pleeeease. This world doesn't need more walls, limits, borders and restrictions. We need less.

And how much would such a thing cost anyway?

 

[epicstruggle]

does a country have a right to protect its borders?? If it feels that land mines are necessary should it be able to use them?? BTW the rio grande is a natural canal.

landmines against humans are banned...

We (USA) have not signed that treaty. Why?? Because of North Korea/South Korea border. Which is the only place that I think should ever have land mines separating countries. We and they currently use lots of landmines in that border.

later,
epic

 

[epicstruggle]

Pleeeease. This world doesn't need more walls, limits, borders and restrictions. We need less.

Im curious humus, does your country have the facilities, and money to care for millions and millions of refugees who would love to go to a country with open borders???

And how much would such a thing cost anyway?

less than what we spend on health care, education, jailing(when they commit a crime), et al, on illegal aliens.

later,
epic

 

[epicstruggle]

Pleeeease. This world doesn't need more walls, limits, borders and restrictions. We need less.

On a side note, do you lock the doors to your home? Why? I mean why restrict me from going into your home, eating your food, sleeping in your bed. I hope you dont expect me to rsvp you before I come. I just want to show up and have a good time, and leave the mess for others to deal with(mainly you). Dont expect me to respect any rules that you have either. If i feel like taking advantage of your [insert family member] or breaking your property, dont expect me to stay and face the consequenses. Ill just go else where.

So do you lock your doors?

later,
epic

 

[Humus]

Im curious humus, does your country have the facilities, and money to care for millions and millions of refugees who would love to go to a country with open borders???

We actually take in more refugees on a relative scale than the US does. It's one thing if people come and live on welfare, but if they come for work, then I'd like to let everyone in who wants to come. I find it utterly annoying that now with the EU expansion in May, pretty much all countries are going to put up temporary rules to block people from the east to move freely to the west. That's the last thing we need, an A and B team. Even Sweden seems to go this way too, despite that our prime minister promised not to do this when the expansion was decided, though neither media or the opposition are very happy about it, so I hope they decide against adding these rules. Otherwise it seems that it's only Ireland who won't block the east. Interestingly, they have the strongest economy in the EU, so they if anyone should want to protect themselves, if protectionism was beneficial that is. But I'm not scared of a flow of Estonians flowing over our borders. In fact, I'd like to see them come, because their work morale is way better than ours, so it would rather boost our economy.

less than what we spend on health care, education, jailing(when they commit a crime), et al, on illegal aliens.

And when you lose your cheap mexican labour, who will do the McJobs? I'd think you gain more than you lose on the immigration.

 

[jvd]

On a side note, do you lock the doors to your home? Why? I mean why restrict me from going into your home, eating your food, sleeping in your bed

epic . I have a pit of sharks with lasers on their head just in case you ever try to come over and land mines at the front door

 

[Humus]

On a side note, do you lock the doors to your home? Why? I mean why restrict me from going into your home, eating your food, sleeping in your bed. I hope you dont expect me to rsvp you before I come. I just want to show up and have a good time, and leave the mess for others to deal with(mainly you). Dont expect me to respect any rules that you have either. If i feel like taking advantage of your [insert family member] or breaking your property, dont expect me to stay and face the consequenses. Ill just go else where.

So do you lock your doors?

Do you have mexicans flowing into your home or what? This is a silly simile. A country isn't a private property.

 

[epicstruggle]

On a side note, do you lock the doors to your home? Why? I mean why restrict me from going into your home, eating your food, sleeping in your bed. I hope you dont expect me to rsvp you before I come. I just want to show up and have a good time, and leave the mess for others to deal with(mainly you). Dont expect me to respect any rules that you have either. If i feel like taking advantage of your [insert family member] or breaking your property, dont expect me to stay and face the consequenses. Ill just go else where.

So do you lock your doors?

Do you have mexicans flowing into your home or what? This is a silly simile. A country isn't a private property.

I thought you might dodge the question. Very hard to follow what you preach, but its very easy to tell other what to do. Ok, I assume your schools are public property, are they locked at night?

later,
epic

 

[epicstruggle]

A country isn't a private property.

I guess we can use this argument to go to Iraq. We didnt invade the country, we just relocated our troops there.

later,
epic

 

[Florin]

Im curious humus, does your country have the facilities, and money to care for millions and millions of refugees who would love to go to a country with open borders???

I find it utterly annoying that now with the EU expansion in May, pretty much all countries are going to put up temporary rules to block people from the east to move freely to the west. That's the last thing we need, an A and B team.

The expansion itself is really the last thing the EU needs. The EU is a fragile, culturally diverse burocratic nightmare which lives by the grace of the few countries who put more money into the project than they take out - ie germany and the netherlands. Adding more countries whose inhabitants are so poor that they will work for next to nothing will put a tremendous strain on the weak bond that the EU already is.

Otherwise it seems that it's only Ireland who won't block the east. Interestingly, they have the strongest economy in the EU, so they if anyone should want to protect themselves, if protectionism was beneficial that is.

It seems more likely that they are not concerned precisely because they are doing well. BTW, Ireland is one of the largest receivers of funding from the EU. One could practically say it is a country on welfare. Which is why it can afford to have comparatively low taxes - which is attractive to international companies such as Dell and Apple, who HQ there. Anyway, all other countries impose blocks for good reasons but of course you're wiser than them

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

There was a series of film documentaries here a while back on Texas. One of the interesting things that came out were the comments from some of the Texans that said if you got rid of all the illegal immigrants, there'd be no resturant, sanitation, etc industries because only the immigrants are willing to to the dirty work on the bottom rung of the ladder.

 

[epicstruggle]

There was a series of film documentaries here a while back on Texas. One of the interesting things that came out were the comments from some of the Texans that said if you got rid of all the illegal immigrants, there'd be no resturant, sanitation, etc industries because only the immigrants are willing to to the dirty work on the bottom rung of the ladder.

Thats quite interestingly false. Look there are many states in this country that dont have very many illegal aliens. These states still have restaurants, sanitation, etc. Look Im not against give work visas to mexicans who want to come in and work. What I dont want is an UNCHECKED border that can ALLOW ANYONE to come and go without notice.

later,
epic
ps I guess i should have noted earlier that for more than 10 years I was an illegal alien(in the US), so were my parents and my brother and sister.

edit:note that teenagers and college students also work for dirt cheap.