A survey of our American friends and their politcal standing
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Well if you compare the 3\4 or 2\3rds of the us pop with coverage vs the 100% of canadians covered you might make a case for some quality issue. Then again we live longer 
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Then again I know rich canadians who've lived across the border here who had to get lawyers to get coverage respected.
Anecdotal I know ...
...Then again I know rich canadians who've lived across the border here who had to get lawyers to get coverage respected.
Anecdotal I know ...
pax said:Well if you compare the 3\4 or 2\3rds of the us pop with coverage vs the 100% of canadians covered you might make a case for some quality issue. Then again we live longer
Then again I know rich canadians who've lived across the border here who had to get lawyers to get coverage respected.
Anecdotal I know ...
covered and expected to wait apparently and pay taxes collectively for each others coverage.
I am also some what bother by your comment about the poor in the US. I am pretty sure "poor" in the us is not the same as "poor" in canada.
There is a book by David Gratzer entitled Code Blue that may be worth looking into.
http://www.fcpp.org/video/gratzer.html
hhe currency value $ is not a good barometer of wealth or well being. Markets usually adjust for that. Cars here in NB are MUCH cheaper than in Maine for example. Cars are usually priced near same in overall dollar amounts but they are priced in US dollars in Maine making them much more pricey vs their pricing in Canadian dollars here.
Our major drawback in Canada is our very low population for the size of territory we live on (not meaning the size of the whole country but the southern third of the country we actually live in is very underpopulated). Per capita costs of our infrastructure is very high because of the distances involved. US has a huge advantage here with its large population over the territory it occupies (tho it could easily handle half a billion).
Canada should have anywhere from 150 minimum to 250 million. It would make us #2 world economic power.
I already said we had 1\3 less income per capita...
Social programs go a long way here to avoid the kind of poverty seen in the states. I dont mean welfare but the other programs that act as supports for low income earners.
Our major drawback in Canada is our very low population for the size of territory we live on (not meaning the size of the whole country but the southern third of the country we actually live in is very underpopulated). Per capita costs of our infrastructure is very high because of the distances involved. US has a huge advantage here with its large population over the territory it occupies (tho it could easily handle half a billion).
Canada should have anywhere from 150 minimum to 250 million. It would make us #2 world economic power.
I already said we had 1\3 less income per capita...
Social programs go a long way here to avoid the kind of poverty seen in the states. I dont mean welfare but the other programs that act as supports for low income earners.
pax said:
It demonstrates the amount of money earned the states is considerably higher per capita then in canada. Our poverty level begins in many cases where a family from canada would still be considered middle class. Right off that bat the over all rate will be different.
Plus your high taxes, your lower GDP.
This makes up a lot of the higher expenses of living in canada. This leaves the states with a clear advantage.
If this is true the over all standard of living will be lower for everyone do to massive taxation + other living expenses. SO you wont' see the opposite end of the spectrum much either.
I consider your Maine reference anecdotal.
This David Gratzer seems to believe there are some major problems in the canadian medicine
http://www.fcpp.org/video/gratzer.html
http://www.fcpp.org/video/gratzer.html
Oh boy, the health care debate.
A few facts before I move along:
1) Canada ranks among the worst in the developed world for health care quality per expenditures. The reason is not because it is too socialized, but because it is not socialized enough. (Or more accurately, socialized too late.) Canada has a single payer system grafted onto a pre-existing private health care infrastructure. The doctors and hospitals have a much stronger bargaining position than in most other developed countries, whose modern health care systems were socialized from the ground up. If you want a poster child for socialized medicine, take a look at France. They do quite well, with universal coverage (duh), short waits, extremely good care outcomes and relatively low expenditures.
2) Comparing America's huge health care expenditure as a fraction of GDP is somewhat misleading, as ironically the US government does a huge job subsidizing medical care not only for Americans but for the rest of the world. Not following yet? Where is most of the global pharmacutical industry located? Do they pay all of their R&D costs themselves, or do they get huge corporate welfare grants from their host government which then leads to discoveries benefitting the entire (developed) world?
In which country's universities and research institutions is most of the world's basic medical science research done? And how do they get their funding?
America's "free-market" (yeah right) health-care system is hugely inefficient, especially considering the tremendous number who fall through the cracks. But it's not as inefficient as the numbers make it seem. And as Canada's mediocre example shows, it's far too late for the US to have the same success as many European countries have had simply by deciding to socialize everything at this late juncture.
A few facts before I move along:
1) Canada ranks among the worst in the developed world for health care quality per expenditures. The reason is not because it is too socialized, but because it is not socialized enough. (Or more accurately, socialized too late.) Canada has a single payer system grafted onto a pre-existing private health care infrastructure. The doctors and hospitals have a much stronger bargaining position than in most other developed countries, whose modern health care systems were socialized from the ground up. If you want a poster child for socialized medicine, take a look at France. They do quite well, with universal coverage (duh), short waits, extremely good care outcomes and relatively low expenditures.
2) Comparing America's huge health care expenditure as a fraction of GDP is somewhat misleading, as ironically the US government does a huge job subsidizing medical care not only for Americans but for the rest of the world. Not following yet? Where is most of the global pharmacutical industry located? Do they pay all of their R&D costs themselves, or do they get huge corporate welfare grants from their host government which then leads to discoveries benefitting the entire (developed) world?
In which country's universities and research institutions is most of the world's basic medical science research done? And how do they get their funding?
America's "free-market" (yeah right) health-care system is hugely inefficient, especially considering the tremendous number who fall through the cracks. But it's not as inefficient as the numbers make it seem. And as Canada's mediocre example shows, it's far too late for the US to have the same success as many European countries have had simply by deciding to socialize everything at this late juncture.
I personally know more than a handfull of Canadians (admittedly older, financially well-off couples) who set up "vacation homes" in Florida, with a major factor being they can come down to vacation whenever they have any sort of medical problem they want dealt with in a timely, attentive manner. They couldn't talk any more badly about the Canadian health care system.
I'm not ignorant enough to extrapolate their opinions and assume the whole country hates the Canadian health care system, but it's not the greatest thing since slice bread, guys.
I'm not ignorant enough to extrapolate their opinions and assume the whole country hates the Canadian health care system, but it's not the greatest thing since slice bread, guys.
Willmeister
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Hehe. They also have the highest rate of prescription medication use too.
As for the Canandians vacationingin Florida, well, all I can say is I know more Americans who move across the border once they retire and *boom* they're right on the medicare dole. They never paid a cent into the system, yet they turn around and leech off the system...
Willmeister said:
Hamas and Hezbollah to name a couple. What rock have you been living under for the past couple of years anyhow? The list is longer then that I can’t recall them all. The liberals did not want to do anything about the terrorist being set up in Canada and it was only after severe political pressure from Canadians and the US government they added these groups to the list of terrorist groups that Canada would not support.
Willmeister said:
Yeah the lady was the head of the Nurses Union or something like that, my mom heard it too couldn’t believe it. CBC does not represent Canadians attitudes. For years it has been a socialist lesbian and gay propaganda machine. They should be shut down. They are subsidized by taxpayers that for the most part do not agree with much of what they say. The CBC does not represent Canadian attitudes what it represents is elitist liberal attitudes and insights resentment against the US. It should be put out of business because it is unfairly subsidized unlike other media it does not go out of business when it fails to be cost effective. For instance I heard some dyke lesbian woman insisting that woman whom work at home and look after their own children should be paid for it. Whats the matter Bill, the University left wing radio station and newspapers not enough for you? BTW they are also heavily subsidized and broadcast more of the same garbage. I don't recall any government subsidized media that express conservative views maybe the CBC should start doing that? No they can't rationalize having that philosophy that would mean they have people talking about cutting subsidization of government run media.
Willmeister said:
Funny thing is the Alliance is the official opposition and it is only the split between the conservatives and the Alliance in the conservative vote that keeps the liberals in power. I can’t believe that you actually like the moron Chretien and his idiot cronies. Martin should be a welcome change over that jerk. BTW are you on crack or just living on campus? Lol, the Tories are a centrist joke as long as the Alliance exists the west will fall in the hands of them. Martin is appealing compared to any of them. I want to see Martin repair our countries relationship with the US. He is still a liberal but he has to be way better then Chretien The current moron/idiot has done more damage then anything in hundreds of years and is a massive embarrassment. You know bloody well we live in the same government/university town that Fredericton is.
Willmeister said:
This is bunk. Canadians and Americans are nearly identical. The largest differance being that Canadians think that US is a horrible place. I even caught my kid saying Americans were racists, needless to say I don't know where she picked up that garbage, maybe the CBC? Anyhow I set her striaght on that. Canadians and Americans are not that different.
Willmeister
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Sebastian, you're gonna be real lonely up here in Canada. Even my parents, conservative as they are, think people who hold this pro-American views as borderline traitors, and this resentment is actually filtering out broadly in the general populace. My mother actually thinks you'd have to be an American to hold views like this. I don't think she's too far off the mark here.
You sound like something out of the 700 Club, or a GOP convention...
Liberals are in power because people chose the Liberals. They chose a lesser of two evils. Voters really weren't given a choice. You had the Liberals, who for the most part, are indistinguishable from the Tories in matters of policy (except a few token issues, of course). So, you have a choice between the Tories who are being pushed to become part of the Alliance, or the Liberals. Wow. Big choice there. I think I'll take ... Liberals for $200 Alex.
I don't and actually see Martin as being worse.
Even in the Alliance fort of Alberta, their support has been constantly falling for years. Give them another 10 years, and they'll be like COR. Alliance supporters will eventually move back into the Tory fold. They all know that the CCRAP has no chance in H*ll becoming government.
You sound like something out of the 700 Club, or a GOP convention...
Liberals are in power because people chose the Liberals. They chose a lesser of two evils. Voters really weren't given a choice. You had the Liberals, who for the most part, are indistinguishable from the Tories in matters of policy (except a few token issues, of course). So, you have a choice between the Tories who are being pushed to become part of the Alliance, or the Liberals. Wow. Big choice there. I think I'll take ... Liberals for $200 Alex.
I don't and actually see Martin as being worse.
Even in the Alliance fort of Alberta, their support has been constantly falling for years. Give them another 10 years, and they'll be like COR. Alliance supporters will eventually move back into the Tory fold. They all know that the CCRAP has no chance in H*ll becoming government.
Willmeister
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I haven't been to Mexico either, but the poorest saddest place I've ever been is a place called Bow-Edison in western Washington state. I thought Zealand was bad (inside joke).