A survey of our American friends and their politcal standing

[epicstruggle]

many illegals (mainly from mexico)

Never said all. I know many in farming are mexican legal and illegal. Many back breaking jobs are done by illegals. Im just saying many states are having big problems with skyrocketing cost of illegal immigrants. Look at all the problems in Cali/Arz/Texas.

later,

 

[Legion]

many illegals (mainly from mexico)

Never said all. I know many in farming are mexican legal and illegal. Many back breaking jobs are done by illegals. Im just saying many states are having big problems with skyrocketing cost of illegal immigrants. Look at all the problems in Cali/Arz/Texas.

later,

but those poor suffering people need homes and work....They are just trying to help their families.

 

[Willmeister]

What a shame though. If it were not for my county's left wing there would not be elements of the government that support certain terrorist organizations in the mid east.

And exactly which terrorist organization would this be now?

There was even some strong terrorist support expressed on the CBC (a left wing state owned broadcaster that I would shut down.) of in Canada where mid eastern decent government employees expressing support for Osama bin laden calling for Canadians to support his work.

So, on the news, or a news program, you saw someone's view? That's hardly what I would call 'support' from the CBC. Sounds like they're doing their jounalistic job now doesn't it? Have you found it just as offensive to hear from Nazis/neo-Nazis/hate groups? Do you think the CBC supports Nazism and other radicals too just because they aired a few interviews?

And I also suppose that Global and CTV are much more representative of Canadian ideas? Hardly. They're what have been dubbed our perfect American "rebroadcasters," because that's essentially what they do. Endless streams of unReality television...

The outrage was so loud that the CBC was defending itself for ages afterwards. If it were not for the liberals we could still brag of the worlds longest ungaurded boarder.

Are you on crack? Or just from Alberta?

So, to all those here, remember this. The opinions expressed by Sebastian and his ideological hero, Steven Harper, garner about 9% of popular opinion. Tories are going to mop up in the next Federal election, at the expense of the Alliance, and if we're lucky, the Liberals too. Oh God do I hope for that. I want to see support for Martin shrivel outside Ontario just to shut up and bring his supporters back to Earth.

 

[DemoCoder]

I personally vote to annex all of Canada into US states except Quebec. Let France have em.

 

[Clashman]

The reason Im against illegal immigration is mainly because of security. After 9/11 i think we would want to know is in this country legally or illegally.

Weren't all the 9/11 hijackers in the country legally?

 

[Legion]

The reason Im against illegal immigration is mainly because of security. After 9/11 i think we would want to know is in this country legally or illegally.

Weren't all the 9/11 hijackers in the country legally?

So you are saying because there were extinuating circumstances we ought to pull all boarder security?

Wouldn't it be easier then for more people to enter the US who want to harm it in some way?

 

[RussSchultz]

The reason Im against illegal immigration is mainly because of security. After 9/11 i think we would want to know is in this country legally or illegally.

Weren't all the 9/11 hijackers in the country legally?

no

 

[Clashman]

The reason Im against illegal immigration is mainly because of security. After 9/11 i think we would want to know is in this country legally or illegally.

Weren't all the 9/11 hijackers in the country legally?

no

Sorry, they enterred legally and overstayed their visas.

 

[pax]

Canadians desire to become americans runs in the 1-2% range. We dont want the crime , the poverty (and all its related social ills), the pervasive drugs, the culture of fear or the corrupt business practices. Our desires are basicaly solidly anchored in the british rule of law.

Even French canadians want that above all. All we want is to sell you the shit you want to buy. As much of it as possible .

 

[Legion]

sounds like you swollowing a lot of propaganda though pax.

This is kind of how i feel about canada. You exist so we can sell you things.

 

[Willmeister]

I personally vote to annex all of Canada into US states except Quebec. Let France have em.

France didn't want them. They abandoned them all but for St. Pierre et Miquelon (sp?). The French treated Quebecers nearly as badly as the British treated their own colonials. The French Crown strictly controlled immigration to their colonies. Britain used it as a dumping ground for Puritanical troublemakers, especially during the late Elizabethean era. Canada never had this 'Puritanical' problem and largely benefitted between the goodwill between the French and natives (especially under Carleton) against expansionistic American colonials.

 

[pax]

Well if by propraganda means watching your conservative corporate news outlets I shudder to think what a 'liberal' gov owned news outlet might reveal about life in the US.

 

[Legion]

Well if by propraganda means watching your conservative corporate news outlets I shudder to think what a 'liberal' gov owned news outlet might reveal about life in the US.

Do you ever read what they reveal about canada ie failures of socialized medicine?

Exactly how corrupt are our businesses Pax?

 

[Willmeister]

Any similarities between Americans and Canadians are actually fading quite rapidly. We may watch the same movies and listen to the same music but that doesn't mean Canadians are any more 'American' than the British are. I have yet to buy this book, being poor has put a serious damper on my reading, but I do plan on buying it. The author was on television and he made some very interesting points just how much different Canadians and Americans actually are.

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[Legion]

In Fire and Ice, Michael Adams challenges the “myth of inevitabilityâ€￾ that has led us to believe our Canadian way of life is doomed to extinction. Drawing upon a decade of pulse- taking that Environics has been performing on both sides of the border, he reveals that Canada and the United States are not drawing together, but rather are diverging in significant ways.

If you have ever wondered if Canada can survive and prosper as a distinct society in an era of globalization and dizzying technological change, Fire and Ice provides fascinating evidence that the cultural divergence between our country and the United States will continue for years to come.

Interesting comments. Is there something wrong with assimilating the culture of the US? Exactly what is MY culture? I don't quite know. What do some of you preceive American culture to be? Some great single concept of life shared by all people who live in the US? Are some of you incapable of recognizing the multitude of cutural diversity in the US?

Its not that i don't like canadian culture. I just find culture in general irrelevant.

 

[Willmeister]

Sunbeam, Worldcom, Enron, Global Crossing, Tyco.

Biggest we have to worry is Air Canada. Can't understand how a company could be privatized without it's debt, given virtual monopoly status, it's pension is billions overstretched and they still managed to run the airline into the ground. Oops. Forgot. CEO is an American. Can you imagine, American carriers are trying to recruit this guy?! Haven't they seen what he's done to Air Canada?!

Unbridled capitalism, wait, it's not actually capitalism is it? CEOs have next to no stake in the companies they run. They're not owner-operators; stock options are just tax havens. They didn't start these businesses and don't even run them long-term. They're 'traded' to other corporations like sports figures. Commitment, like thought, is no longer a managerial function anymore.

Okay, so this whole management-controlled economic system is screwing us because they're run by idiot savants with fancy pieces of paper who are utterly incapable or just outright incompetent. It's beginning to sound like Soviet Union without the obsession over tractors. Investors take heed. Overly-paid incompetent management, not labour, has become the biggest source of drag in the economy. More than subsidies. Probably even more than corporate welfare.

 

[Legion]

vSunbeam, Worldcom, Enron, Global Crossing, Tyco.

Biggest we have to worry is Air Canada. Can't understand how a company could be privatized without it's debt, given virtual monopoly status, it's pension is billions overstretched and they still managed to run the airline into the ground. Oops. Forgot. CEO is an American. Can you imagine, American carriers are trying to recruit this guy?! Haven't they seen what he's done to Air Canada?!

Is there something unsual about higher an american?

Exactly why are you mentioning those companies at the top? How do they reflect apon American business in its entirety?

 

[pax]

Failures? As in the waiting lists, moslty modest, for non emergency procedures? A fraction as long as in those countries with dual private and public care and certainly ahell of whole lot shorter than for about 73 million americans with little or no coverage.

My sis and bro are both docs as well as 4 of my uncles. if there were any failures wed know about them. Considering the huge diff in the gdp expenditures vs the US I can only see glowing successes. Right now its running abou 11% of gdp on health vs 17% for the US last I read.

Its an IMMENSE difference. And yet we cover everyone at about a third less income per capita than in the US.

 

[Legion]

your commentary alone makes me suspiscious of its functionality. I plan to do some research on this.

From what i have heard myself people of the US have the advantage of being more able to access more advanced medical treatments.

Keeping the field private and competitive aids this.

Another valid argument against socialized medicine is the fluctuation of statefunding by taxation and the ferocious taxation involved to fund a system on par with the US's.

 

[Willmeister]

Are you sure about the 73 million? It's nearing 50 million uncovered outright, the five or so million increase because of job losses. I can't remember the other number where people no longer pay into any system. More had their employer shares cutting out family members. The breakdown was pretty complicated and made me think of things I wouldn't have otherwise seen. Eventually, they came out with 70 million or about 1 in 5...

I read it off a link at motherjones.com I think.