A problem with PS3's 2 SKUs

Vysez said:
And on topic, I must say, and repeat, the non HDMI model is a really stupid move.

Why ? Microsoft alredy give you nothing more than the multiAV : no optical out, no Vga out nor component out , so you are forced to buy the cable , the ps3 is the same with the HDMI.
 
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supervegeta said:
Why ? Microsft alredy give you nothing out of the box, no optical out...

Microsoft is also not including an HD optical drive with unit...so HDMI is basically a non issue. (Not to mention that the console is at least $100+ cheaper.)

Anyone who thinks there will be an HDMI "cable" for the "low cost" PS3 are smoking the sme drugs as the people thinking there would be an "HDMI cable" for the 360. Not going to happen.
 
avaya said:
I would think cooling was a factor here. If you look at the vents...maybe a lot of these were removed to aid cooling.

That does not explain the media ports or HDMI, both included in the 60GB SKU.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
Microsoft is also not including an HD optical drive with unit...so HDMI is basically a non issue. (Not to mention that the console is at least $100+ cheaper.)

No one have solid proof that the xbox360 scaler can't output a digital signal .

Anyone who thinks there will be an HDMI "cable" for the "low cost" PS3 are smoking the sme drugs as the people thinking there would be an "HDMI cable" for the 360. Not going to happen.

Anyone who think sony will release a ps3 with a blu ray player but not able to play all blue ray movies is smoking crack alredy.
 
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In the other thread the HDMI connector is like 20 cents and you still need the Silicon Image chips to pass the HDCP signals. These SI chips are a lot more expensive than the connector so it makes no sense to remove the cheap connector and leave in the expensive chip(s). I do not see a simple HDMI cable available for the Core PS3.
 
NANOTEC said:
In the other thread the HDMI connector is like 20 cents and you still need the Silicon Image chips to pass the HDCP signals. These SI chips are a lot more expensive than the connector so it makes no sense to remove the cheap connector and leave in the expensive chip(s). I do not see a simple HDMI cable available for the Core PS3.

It make perfect sense if you plan to make people buy an additional cable.
 
supervegeta said:
Anyone who think sony will release a ps3 with a blu ray player but not able to play all blue ray movies is smoking crack alredy.

At the very least, it is verfied that teh core PS3 will not be able to play all blu-ray movies OOTB. Before yesterday, people would have been accused of smoking crack if they suggested that....and yet here we are.
 
Acert93 said:
That does not explain the media ports or HDMI, both included in the 60GB SKU.

My post was unclear, I was talking about the extra HDMI port and Ethernet ports.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
At the very least, it is verfied that teh core PS3 will not be able to play all blu-ray movies OOTB. Before yesterday, people would have been accused of smoking crack if they suggested that....and yet here we are.

What is OOTB ?

And can you give me a link about the official sony announcment that the core model will not be able to output a digital singal ?
 
Joe DeFuria said:
Can you give me a link that it will?

No one have said anything official.

OOTB means nothing about the ability of the multiAV to output a digital signal.
 
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supervegeta said:
You said "it is verfied" so you have to give me a proof .

Please read what I wrote. I said it is verified that it can't play all Blu-Ray movies OOTB.

If this had been suggested two days ago, there would have been lots of "smoking crack" suggestions...and yet here we are.
 
supervegeta said:
It make perfect sense if you plan to make people buy an additional cable.

So you're saying they're leaving in the expensive HDCP chip in ALL consoles to sell a few HDMI cables? How much will these cables cost to make up the huge loss from the HDCP chips? $80?
 
Joe DeFuria said:
At the very least, it is verfied that teh core PS3 will not be able to play all blu-ray movies OOTB. Before yesterday, people would have been accused of smoking crack if they suggested that....and yet here we are.

Play? Or just play at the max supported resolution? Worst case scenario is your Blu-Ray movie will be 960x540 (w/ICT enabled) and any DD+/DDtruHD/DTS-HD will be downconverted to regular Dolby Digital/DTS respectively.
 
Acert93 said:
That does not explain the media ports or HDMI, both included in the 60GB SKU.

Guys, comeon. I'm suprised that such a smart group of people would have missed the obvious reason for the removal of the ports between the SKU's. In face this reason also applies to the 60GB -> 20GB downgrade. It is a way for Sony to make more money on a nearly equivalently costly BOM. 60GB vs 20GB HDs only cost ~ 10-15 more to the manufacturer (we can look up this figure, but it is close), and the ports are a few cents each.

The higher priced SKU gives Sony 2 things. First and foremost, it gives Sony the lux brand appeal. This is a well known phenomenon to marketers. People are more willing to pay for products that they percieve as having higher value, regardless of what the actual quality/cost of the added components are, or the actual usefulness to the consumer (read: I may not NEED this now, but I could POSSIBLY USE it later on). As a subset to this added value, the Sony PS3 is possibly percieved as more Next Gen than either the X360 and the Wii. Even if Sony doesn't put out games with much better graphics, people will find the small differences to justify the increased price. I've already seen this today, scanning message boards here.

People want the best product available to them, and some are scammed extremely easily into spending more than is logically justifiable. High end models of Porche, BMW, MB, and other high end car manufacturers use the same marketing devices to upsell sometimes insignificant increases of BOM. The higher end super luxery cars (read: Enzo and the like) sometimes rely on the idea of "hand-made" manufacturing or "limited-edition" production to further increase percieved value, even though, often times hand-made products are no better than industrial mass-produced ones. Limited edition production is a genius marketing strategy. Very many use it, and it is extremely effective. Expect to see "limited-edition" white PS3 models next Christmas. Though the BOM is almost always the same on limited edition products, the percieved value skyrockets because of the "unique value" perception.

The second benefit [the higher SKU gives] to Sony was mentioned in the first paragraph of this post. It gives them a chance to slightly lower their price overhead, while still allowing consumers the choice of a cheaper option. They are banking on consumers going for the luxery version. The price difference between the SKU's is very,very minimal.

edit: Note to Acert: The last line refers to price differnece TO SONY, not the consumer. Since the whole post is about the price difference (to the consumer) between the SKU's being $100 not because of the cost that SONY incurs from adding the components being 1:1, but because Sony needs to offset their pricey BOM (which, once again, is nearly the same between the SKU's) by selling a $600 model, and at the same time justifying it to the consumer (see above: luxery model appeal). NM because the money could go to suture the wound they incurred from their one-time R&D cost, which was astronomical.
 
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archie4oz said:
Play? Or just play at the max supported resolution? Worst case scenario is your Blu-Ray movie will be 960x540 (w/ICT enabled) and any DD+/DDtruHD/DTS-HD will be downconverted to regular Dolby Digital/DTS respectively.

Bingo! I'm not quite sure why all of a sudden people expected the PS3 to NOT play BD-ROMs, you just won't get 1080p with the base/core/limited/(insert non-derogatory word here).
 
NANOTEC said:
So you're saying they're leaving in the expensive HDCP chip in ALL consoles to sell a few HDMI cables? How much will these cables cost to make up the huge loss from the HDCP chips? $80?

First off give me the source for the 80$ HDMI chip cost, and second having an additional video port means you have a dual video output capable chip , adding a dual video output capability is more expansive than just 50cent .
 
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I still seems strange, Sony would benefit if everyone goes for a 1080P lcd/plasma screen.

They are after all one of the companies that is pushing HD to our homes.

We need answers :)
 
pakotlar said:
The second benefit [the higher SKU gives] to Sony was mentioned in the first paragraph of this post. It gives them a chance to slightly lower their price overhead, while still allowing consumers the choice of a cheaper option. They are banking on consumers going for the luxery version. The price difference between the SKU's is very,very minimal.

Since when did $100 become "minimal"?

And your arguement ignores a key point: One of the reasons the PS3's cheapest SKU costs $100 more than MS's more expensive SKU is the Blu Ray drive. Sony has put a lot of emphasis on Blu Ray. Without HDMI in the cheaper SKU there is now the risk those consumers wont get full resolution HD media sometime in the future. That is a fly in the ointment of you ask me. It also is a direct affront to last years marketing (2x HDMI and the advantages) and the "consensus" that the extra ports were very cheap.

If the 360 issues are anything of note, there will be problems with the 2 skus, namely people want one and cannot get the one they want.

I can live without the extra Ethernet ports, Media Ports, and even WiFi (add on?). But HDMI was a BAD move. I don't even care about HD media personally, but for consumers paying for a $499 console that is marketed as, "The PS3 has a Blu Ray drive to play Hi Definition Media at True (TM) HDTV resolutions" and find out later that, "Hey, this movie uses a protection format that wont let me watch 'New Killer Movie I paid $40 for' at 1080p? WTH?!"

A lot of questions, and availability concerns will hit hard (I think Sony should learn MS's mistake and ONLY ship 60GB SKUs!). Just not a good move in my book.
 
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