9500,worth the wait compared to 9700...?

RiotSquad

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From how I understand (mostly from opinions on this very knowledgeable forums posters) the drawback of the 9500 will be high res,FSAA with AF...
Since I mostly play at fairly low res (FPS'er,so very willing to go low on options...especially online,SP I'll put 'em fairly high) will the 9500 make a lot more sense than the 9700 I was initially planning to get...? (from what you guesstimate)
I'm of course not expecting "the full truth",I'm just looking for your opinion based on what we expect the 9500 to be and what we know the 9700 to be already...
 
http://www.powercolor.com.tw/web/product_inside.asp?prd_id=RageXL4MB

Although these specs are a little confused removing one glitch they do tally with something someone from ATI told me: 128bit bus, 4x1 pixel pipes but retaining all 4 of 9700's vertex engines (!).

Now, if you were to compare this again 9700 then, yes, it drawback would be high bandwidth / high pixel rates areas (but not quite as bad with FSAA). However, if you were to compare this against a GF4 Ti class product then you would probably say that the raw performance may not be quite there (becuase of the lack of texture units) but if you factor in FSAA (because fillrate wise both GF4 and 9500 would have 'free' FSAA, but 9500's has the added performance of being compresses) and Anisotropic (because of Radeon's efficient scheme of doing it) then you would likely get better performance.
 
If the R9500's performance is much worse than a GF4 Ti, then it won't be much better than a R8500... I think the R9500 has the potential to really be disappointing. It seems to me that ATi basically upped the price of their high end offering by calling it the R9700 and charging upwards of $300 for it. I guess we'll see.

Basically the R9700 would totally be the better buy, but it's just too expensive for most people to justify. That's not going to change at all till the Nv30 comes out. R9500 could be hit or miss...I don't think it will offer R8500 performance in this generation (that is when R8500 was released it was top of the line in performance, but only cost <$250).
 
I expect it to be quite a bit faster than a GF4Ti with AF and AA activated. If you only need high framerates and 2xAA max, a GF4Ti might well be better.
 
I forgot to say in my initial post that I am a hardcore gamer...and there are features of the 9700 I'd expect to carry over to the 9500,so GF4 isn't really an option.(features like the ability to smooth real audio vides which also may be avail. for mpg and avi's later on...)
Being a hardcore gamer means -in my case- that I stick to fairly low res since I mostly play online (800*600 is quite enough for me) and hence I don't really care much about graphics since I don't have time to watch them anyway.(apart from during SP...but then I can also handle lower FPS due to increasing the IQ and all...)
I can pay the cash for the 9700 (even if I do agree it's a tad too high) but if it doesn't really give me anything I would get from the 9500 I of course don't want to waste the cash...
Also....when the time comes that I need a new card -to run whatever game I want to play- I will swap it....so it's not a long time investment I'm looking for.
Thx for opinions though...still as confused as before though.... :p :)
 
Well, as we've said, its likely that, comparatively, 9500's performance advantages are going to show when AA and Aniso are used.

However, one area that may pay dividends in low res gaming is the increase poly pushing power that 4 vertex shaders have - the 9700 PRO review showed that in some cases this could be a real benefit.
 
K,thx Dave (and all)...seems like I might as well go with the 9700 after all.
FSAA/AF isn't -as you may conclude- any issue of mine...but if it also helps during low res gaming (in some cases) it might after all be what I should get...
 
If you're going to run in 800*600 you can probably do fine with the R9500. With the R9700 you can probably run higher than 800*600 and still get more than enough FPS even for hard core gaming. AA, I think you'll agree is totally unnecessary and just steals FPS. Aniso, well it makes it look nicer, but honestly doesn't help your game.

So if you're playing with no frills just go with the R9500.
 
My hope is that the 9500 is about as fast as the Ti4600 and a bit faster with AF/FSAA. I also hope its about ~$215
 
This promo shot from Tommti may be of interest. It was bound to leak soon, anyway:

r9500.jpg
 
128MB means expensive. I hope this won't debut at $300, but I have a sneaking suspicion it will. Hopefully it'll dip as low and as quickly as the 9700 Pro did, to ~$225.
 
Um, the 9500 will always cost less than the 9700 - that's the whole point of it... BTW all Dx9 level boards, so far, include 128MB RAM. Indeed, there's an OEM 9700 with 256MB.
 
IMO if radeon 9500 performs the same without fsaa&aniso as geforce4 ti4600 it will be a very good buy.Using fsaa&aniso radeon 9500 will surely be faster.Anything on the price?
 
Nagorak said:
Someone needs to lock the Nvidia engineers to their chairs until they get the NV30 out the door. :)

What if they need to go to the bathroom then? :)

*G*
 
All the more reason to hurry. :)

stevem, I was referring to the MSRP: 9700 Pro $399, 9500 Pro $299.
 
Anyone seen this:
http://www.powercolor.com.tw/web/product_inside.asp?prd_id=RageXL4MB

And this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1032715046

Also, a little something from Reactor Critical:
ATI Technologies is going to launch its RADEON 9500 derivative from RADEON 9700 graphics processor sometimes in October. The former is rumoured to support all the features the latter does, but provide less graphics performance, for instance, it will have only four rendering pipelines and two geometry engines.

Unofficial sources now tell that the Canadian VPU developer will unveil two versions of RADEON 9500 based solutions. There will be RADEON 9500 PRO for $219, with higher clock-speed and, maybe, with more memory onboard, and there will be lower clocked version with 64 MB of DDR SDRAM for $179, called RADEON 9500. Of course, companies like Sapphire or Gigabyte, may also launch their own products with specific features, like VIVO, that will be priced between these two limits.

As far as we know at the moment, the actual launch date is not yet set, since ATI and its partners have to sell their RADEON 8500 based solutions, which now can cost of up to $199 in certain retail stores. In the worst case we will see the actual graphics cards based on the RADEON 9500 VPU by the end of October.

In fact, ATI is going to have the most competitive line of graphics consumer’s boards this Fall, see yourself:
Professional graphics cards:
FIRE GL X1: 256 MB DDR SDRAM; Dual DVI; Stereo; AGP 8x; DirectX 9.0.
FIRE GL M1: 128 MB DDR SDRAM; Dual DVI; Stereo; AGP 8x; DirectX 9.0.
High-end gamer’s 3D-accelerators:
RADEON 9700 PRO: 325/620 MHz core/memory; 128 MB DDR SDRAM; D-Sub; DVI-I; TV-Out; AGP 8x; DirectX 9.0; Price now: $320.
RADEON 9700: 300/600 (275/275?) MHz core/memory; 128 MB DDR SDRAM; D-Sub; DVI-I; TV-Out; AGP 8x; DirectX 9.0; Recommended price: $299.
Mainstream graphics cards:
RADEON 9500 PRO: D-Sub; DVI-I; TV-Out; AGP 8x; DirectX 9.0; Recommended price: $219.
RADEON 9500: D-Sub; DVI-I; TV-Out; AGP 8x; DirectX 9.0; Recommended price: $179.
Inexpensive graphics solutions for gamers:
RADEON 9000 PRO: 275/550 MHz core/memory; 64 MB DDR SDRAM; D-Sub; DVI-I; TV-Out; AGP 4x; DirectX 8.1; Price now: $77.
RADEON 9000: 250/400 MHz core/memory; 64 MB DDR SDRAM; D-Sub; DVI-I; TV-Out; AGP 4x; DirectX 8.1; Price now: $66.
ALL-IN-WONDER series:
ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 9700;
ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 9500; (Not confirmed)
ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 9000;

Keeping in mind very flexible ATI’s pricing policy, even provided that NV30 is much more powerful and feature rich VPU compared to the RADEON 9700, the archrival Nvidia will hardly be able to decline ATI’s market share in all sectors.
 
Damn, with an MSRP of $219, this is going to be a real steal online. Easily available for <$200.

If this offers decent performance than I'll take back my complaints posted above. After all I did have to pay $250 for my R8500 and some $200 for my Radeon 32 DDR, so this will be less than I paid for either of those. It just had better offer performance somewhere between R8500 and R9700, which is generally Ti4400 level+. If it's close to the Ti4600 in performance then I'm sold. ;)
 
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