3D Gaming*

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I think they simply mean that they don't allow objects to break the plane of the screen. In general this is a good thing because objects appearing to be in front of the monitor can quickly break the illusion unless handled carefully.

 

[patsu]

LG introduces their 3D product family with more aggressive promo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/LG-Electronics-Brings-Content-prnews-758357486.html?x=0&.v=1

LG will be offering an exclusive bundle at retail for the launch of its 3D technology suite, making 3D more accessible to consumers. With the 1-2-3D bundle, consumers who purchase any LG LX9500 or LX6500 LED HDTV paired with the LG 3D Blu-ray Disc Player from participating retailers, will receive two free pairs of the 3D active shutter glasses, a $100 instant rebate and a bonus redemption certificate to receive Warner Home Video's Blu-ray 3D™ title IMAX® Under the Sea 3D by mail while supplies last.

 

[patsu]

Square-Enix to promote Dragon Quest in 3D cinemas:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/14/dragon_quest_3d/

Dragon Quest will be making it into the theaters, though, as part of a promotional campaign for Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road Victory.

Square Enix has converted the Wii title's opening anime sequence, created by Kamekaze Douga, into full 3D. This 3D clip will be shown prior to 3D showings of Toy Story 3 at 43 theaters between July 17 and July 30. Visitors to the Shinjuku Wald 9 theater will get a longer, full version of the clip.

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[patsu]

LG introduces their 3D product family with more aggressive promo:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/LG-Electronics-Brings-Content-prnews-758357486.html?x=0&.v=1

Sony Rolls Out Sweet 3D TV Bundles – You've Got Until Sunday to Nab Them:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...les_–_Youve_Got_Until_Sunday_to_Nab_Them/5055

The combos revolve around the HX800 series of televisions, and come in 46 and 55 inch varieties. You'll get the TV, of course, as well as a slick bundle of 3D goodies that includes the BDV-E570 Blu-ray home theater system, two pairs of glasses, a 3D transmitter, two Blu-ray 3D movies – 'Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs' and the 3D version of 'IMAX: Deep Sea' - and a pair of 3D games for the PlayStation 3.
The price for the 46 inch package comes in at $2,429, which is $270 less than the MSRP of the television. The 55 inch model is $349 cheaper than the TV itself, with a price of $3,059.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Why do they include a BRD player and 3D games for your PS3? Surely the PS3 would be used for both.

 

[patsu]

PS3 can't play 3D Blu-ray yet (September!). Agree it would be sweeter if they throw in a PS3 in place of the player.

 

[Neb]

PS3 can't play 3D Blu-ray yet (September!). Agree it would be sweeter if they throw in a PS3 in place of the player.

How come so late for one of the promoters?

I mean I had Blu-Ray 3D support and all kind of other 3D techs for non-native and 3D-native movies with TMT3 since about a month ago on my PC. -_-

 

[Arwin]

It may well be that they are reserving the next firmware update for Move integration into the dashboard or something similar, as September is also the month the Move controller is released, and/or choosing to pool the firmware release for these two updates together in order to address complaints that people have to upgrade their firmware each time they turn on their PS3 ... (Note that this is not a complaint of mine, as I use the PS3 a lot, but I could see it be annoying for people for whom the PS3 is their 'other' system like the 360 is basically mine, or just not use their PS3 a whole lot)

 

[specwarGP2]

I have a question. Can't they just have a cpu to convert it to 3d after the frame is rendered kinda like what 3dtvs are doing to 2d signals ?

That would be like having frame interpolation, which might be too laggy for a game. (I think)

On a side note, is it impossible for older TVs to be 3D capable at all? I'm asking because Sony used an XBR9 to demo 3D games.

 

[patsu]

How come so late for one of the promoters?

I mean I had Blu-Ray 3D support and all kind of other 3D techs for non-native and 3D-native movies with TMT3 since about a month ago on my PC. -_-

No idea. They may also incorporate Managed Copy support to the Blu-ray update (or not).

Or they may want to give some market lead time to Sony's standalone players.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Yes, I suppose the standalone players are profitable hardware.

 

[patsu]

MLB 3D programming:
http://www.gamerlive.tv/article/mlb...home-run-derby-and-sonys-mlb-10-3d-spectacles

DIRECTV, Major League Baseball and FOX Sports ... will offer the 2010 MLB All-Star Game in 3D exclusively on DIRECTV’s new 3D channel, n3D powered by Panasonic (Channel 103). This makes it a 3D sweep for MLB All-Star as ESPN3D will bring the State Farm Home Run Derby to customers in 3D on Monday, July 12, as well. On top of this, gamers can play Sony's MLB 10 PlayStation 3 videogame in 3D now, as well, taking in both events virtually in 3D

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The telecast of the mid-summer classic from Angels Stadium in Anaheim, Calif., next Tuesday will make sports TV history as the first national broadcast of an MLB game in 3D.

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DIRECTV launched ESPN 3D on June 1 and will offer the network’s live 3D broadcast of the World Cup final on July 11 and the 2010 State Farm Home Run Derby on July 12.

 

[patsu]

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/16/sony-limiting-use-of-1080p-3d-in-ps3-games/

Sony's official guidelines for 3D gaming on PS3 limit the displayed image to a resolution of 720p, a Sony representative confirmed at the Develop conference this week.

 

[patsu]

http://www.brokemycontroller.com/ne...atents-related-to-stereoscopic-screen-sharing

Two recently published patents reveal that Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (The PlayStation division of Sony) is considering using stereoscopic screen sharing.

With Sony’s new 3DTVs viewing images in stereoscopic 3D is the most obvious trick, but this patent, if implemented, would make it possible for two players to share separate images on the same screen.

A real world example may be playing Twisted Metal or Killzone 3 with a friend. Rather than playing in split screen, you could choose to use the stereoscopic setting so that each of you only sees your own character’s point of view on the screen. Your friend will no longer be able to cheat and see where you are, or check out your plays on Madden. Also interesting is that the patent drawings show glasses with earbuds, like those old Oakleys. Imagine being able to get your own audio signal while you play.

I think playing regular 2P co-op games fullscreen is a good benefit to start. ^_^

 

[Arwin]

Yeah, but before people get confused, I think this patent actually shows two 3D sources as 3D, not two 2D sources using 3D.

 

[patsu]

Yap, but a 2D one is much more useful due to the sheer number of games available. As in, can we convert existing co-op games easily to support the tech, or can this be applied transparently to 'em ?

I think playing 2P or 4P Move games (e.g., table tennis) would be more useful since the opposite team doesn't have to reverse his/their view point.

 

[Arwin]

Yes of course, it could be pretty awesome. It will either halve the framerate or the resolution though. And you'd need glasses capable of only showing half of the images.

 

[patsu]

I think it'd be a step up from the existing split screen methods though. First, it prevents simple cheating (Muahahaha). Secondly, it has a larger viewing area. Many split screens already have lower resolution and lesser effects.

I'm hoping Sony or at least some developers try this approach.

They have to implement similar plumbing to do stereoscopic 3D anyway. It'd be more benefits for 3DTV and 3D monitor owners.

 

[Arwin]

I'm just saying that all the performance issues with doing 'split-screen' in 2D will remain in 'alternate-screen' mode. The reason you can get split-screen to work usually is because you can scale back the LODs etc. This is going to stand out more in full-screen. Also, some optimisations such as Crytek 2 uses to obtain 3D at little extra cost won't work at all if you're rendering totally different views.

Not saying that it isn't a great idea and has good benefits, I just didn't want to gloss over the downsides.

 

[patsu]

This is going to stand out more in full-screen. Also, some optimisations such as Crytek 2 uses to obtain 3D at little extra cost won't work at all if you're rendering totally different views.

Oh yeah. It'd probably have brightness loss too ?

I can see how core gamers will pick the visual apart.

It looks like the "proper 3D" approach may have multiple benefits though.