Doubt that would run with that fidelity on DC, but it could be close
"Yes, but how many polygons?" An artist blog entry with interesting numbers
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EsppiraK
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Now that you mention the 30 fps, It is possible to lock the framerate to 30 fps in Doa2 keeping 1x speed, It would be a good test case to ramp the geometry of one stage + transparencies to the max and see how far we can push the console.Actually that was done before , a handful of games overlapped blended quads . Best example I remember was skies of arcadia in the Opening scenes , they overlapped a quad with varying degrees transparency per each vertex to give it a soft light coming from an angle but it wasn't the only time used on dc. Overworks again used that same effect on the intro stages of Shinobi 2002 ps2, so it's a pretty simple but effective technique.
The guy who did soul calibur 2 test for dc mentioned that 60 fps dc is more delicate performance wise than it is at 30 fps. Also mentioned at 30 fps layered transparencies become negligible to impact performance. At 30 fps you can have scenes that range up 60k polygons per frame and 2 to 4 layers of transparent quad with almost no performance cost with them on or off. So imagine if they had been less 60 fps obsessed and more detail oriented at 30 fps since it has more performance legroom at that rate.
Fake bloom skies of arcadia
Aldo Remors
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It runs on DC. I asked Mihaly, the developer at Appaloosa who posted the video on Youtube. He confirmed that much.
Aldo Remors
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Try contacting the dev directly : Sáránszki Mihály (Click on the Youtube link, he is the actual dev)
Let him know what you do and he might open up. Who knows he might even give you a hand with your DOAD2 project.
Aldo Remors
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Generous amount of of what appears to be transparencies in Ecco 2's hanging cavern level.
Cloofoofoo
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That's interesting, so actual gameplay / physics animation don't slow down and sync just fine at 30 fps? Nice to see it's frame rate independent like that.
You might definitely be able to increase detail considerably then if you keep it consistent 30 fps. ( Might be able to use one of those Xbox 1 doa stages even) I wonder if one can change something in the 1st read to force 30 fps frame lock.
EsppiraK
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No, It depends, when It is GPU bound It runs at 30 fps at 1x speed when It IS CPU bound It slows downs, or so It seems, but I found a memory address that locks the Game to 30fps.
Aldo Remors
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Would you look at that… He was asked in the comment if this particular demo could run on DC, and he answered « I think yes »
I believe artistic literacy remains the most important factor when it comes to great graphics.
Aldo Remors
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In this example I am not sure it is possible to determine whether there has been a significant downgrade in terms of polycount if at all. That said the original Naomi 2 character models are tremendously wasteful in terms of polygon allocation, so I wouldn't be surprised if cutting down on the polycount had a limited impact.
I also took a good look at the videos you guys posted of the Pachinko game, and characters do have specular lighting on both skin and clothing. The specular highlights are broad and are therefore not as noticeable, but they're definitely there. The spikes on his head appear to be environment mapped. Textures are heavily down-which seems to support your theory.
I think you guys are right, this is very likely running on DC-ish HW.
Very nice catch.
xaeroxcore
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Oh wow! I was expecting atleast 2.5 to 3gs. These look amazing if that's the case! I'm sure more polys for different expressions, though!
Indeed it's crazy. What a shamethis system had so much more to give
Cloofoofoo
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he updated to show it running on actual hardware. its interesting. hardware under tecmo/team ninja could have made crazy looking games
davis.anthony
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Not really as you can see it's chugging in a lot of places and next to no collision on anything which frees the CPU up.
Pushing it farther than it can realistically go.
Pushing it farther than it can realistically go.
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Cloofoofoo
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And collision i still there as well as phsyics( ik bones , gravity) nothing is freed up and these stages are higher in vertex counts than the default one. What youre looking at is mismatch between the visual model and the physics/collision model because he has swapped the visual one but not collision one yet( not sure if he has the tools to swap the collision models). not to mention he added material to stages( specular is heavy dc cpu) like in the desert stage the statues have specular if u look carefully. Theres MORE going on than on the defaut stage.
it shows you dont know how it actually works.
Aldo Remors
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1. It's not 'chugging in a lot of places'. There are some brief slow downs in a few places.
2. There are collisions.
3. The fact is that you, yourself don't know 'how far this particular engine can realistically go', let alone how far the DC itself can be realistically pushed. None of us know, and that's the point of this exercise.
4. The guy does not have access to the source code, and is using very rudimentary techniques to implement new and more demanding environment models and visual features, and yet the game still runs quite well.
5. In the light of the work that has been performed on this particular game, your comment comes off as having been made in bad faith.
2. There are collisions.
3. The fact is that you, yourself don't know 'how far this particular engine can realistically go', let alone how far the DC itself can be realistically pushed. None of us know, and that's the point of this exercise.
4. The guy does not have access to the source code, and is using very rudimentary techniques to implement new and more demanding environment models and visual features, and yet the game still runs quite well.
5. In the light of the work that has been performed on this particular game, your comment comes off as having been made in bad faith.
davis.anthony
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We know how much RAM/VRAM is has, thus we can reasonable guess what it's capable of.
These arenas are a single level from I saw, I doubt DC even has the memory to have arena's at that quality, over multiple levels.
It's a cool tech demo, that's it.
Unfortunately certain people still like to live in fantasy land and dream that DC was this super powerful machine that never reached it's full potential because PS2 killed it off.
Aldo Remors
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What you are doing here, is diminishing the complex art and science of real-time computer graphics down to the 2 most basic parameters you understand.
Doubting the DC is apparently what you've been spending your time doing on this thread. The fact of the matter is that what a relatively uneducated individual 'doubts' about the ability of a system has no relevance at present.
It's not a tech demo, it's a game. A game you can play. With buttons and such. You know what I mean ?
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