And in that case, of course, none are confused with other products, or thrown about in insulting matter--that being the complaint point people have, not anal retentiveness.
XBox 2 Dev Kits
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haha, Pippin had no 3D hardware acceleration and therefore couldn't be a PSX, N64 or M2 killer, even though Pippin had basicly the same CPU as Sega's Model 3 board 
randycat99 said:I think I shall from now on arbitrarily refer to Xbox2 as Pippin2, because it suits me...
Hehe.. Look at this...
http://www.macsecrets.com/news05_01.html
If the Google translation is any good, seems neat.
Tommy McClain
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/whitepapers/power4.html
The best way to think of the POWER/PowerPC division is like the desktop/server distinction.
Servers have lots of extra features that are overkill for normal desktop machines, but that doesn't make them better than desktops, just built for a different purpose.
Anything having to do with console/home computer hardware will be PowerPC based.
The best way to think of the POWER/PowerPC division is like the desktop/server distinction.
Servers have lots of extra features that are overkill for normal desktop machines, but that doesn't make them better than desktops, just built for a different purpose.
Anything having to do with console/home computer hardware will be PowerPC based.
AzBat said:If the Google translation is any good, seems neat.
Besides being fricken ugly, it's an obvious photochop to boot...
Guden Oden said:AzBat said:If the Google translation is any good, seems neat.
Besides being fricken ugly, it's an obvious photochop to boot...
A nice photochop tho... i mean there's not many people who could produce those kind of images with chopsticks...
AFAIK if you ignore 32 bit support a Power processor nowadays is a PowerPC processor too ... and 970 apparently borrowed a lot from the Power4, so it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that parts of the Power4/5 will find its way into a console. Just without all the overhead.
PS2 is a mac PC turned into a console without a hardrive?
Oh I see you changed your response before I replied...
Doesn't matter if the cpu is modified, it's still what's used in a mac, all that was missing was the altivec unit if I recall correctly. the embedded memory in the GPU isn't all that special, and i wouldn't be suprised if it happens in all the consoles moving forwards.
Oh I see you changed your response before I replied...
Doesn't matter if the cpu is modified, it's still what's used in a mac, all that was missing was the altivec unit if I recall correctly. the embedded memory in the GPU isn't all that special, and i wouldn't be suprised if it happens in all the consoles moving forwards.
Your confusing me now, what does the possibility of embedded ram being used in future consoles have to do with this dicussion?
Look, XBox Next dev kits are Macs with Windows, hence the Mac into a PC into a console comment. Your just stretching comparisons between PS2/GC and Mac/PC to utterly ludicrous levels in order to make light of tkf's comment. I don't know why though, what does it matter if XBox Next is a Mac/PC/Console?
P.S. FYI Gekko isn't just a Mac CPU with altivec removed AFAIK, there are more significant modifications AFAIR. Not that it matters really, in the end its a single mac-ish components in an otherwise proprietary console.
Actually, let me fix that statement. I should have said future GPU's. Anyway you brougt the embedded memory up for some reason, so why don't you ask yourself what that has to do with future consoles or this discussion.
Macs are PC's Teasy
(PC = Personal Computer) so essentially it's turning a Mac into a console "without a hardrive". If you can see what MS is doing and how that's similar to gamecube, then I see no reason for you to start getting all defensive about this. Ludicrous?? What's your problem? As usual you're completely blowing this up into a big argument. I'm not stretching comparisons at all. There's a whole lot of simalar things MS is doing that Nintendo already did (use a power PC processor, and ATI GPU, etc).
Exactly, why does it matter Teasy? It doesn't seem to bother me, but you're getting your back all up for some reason when xbox next is compared to gamecube and macs. Early Gamecube development tools also ran on a mac, so waht?
Look, I don't have time for another one of your "defending the gamecube rants" becuase I really don't know why/what you are arguing. It's getting pretty old imo.
You can keep all your semantics and word twisting Quincy. As usual your trying to get me involved in a petty cut and paste fest, but I won't lower myself to it.
The simple fact of the matter is that what tkf said was quite a poinient, if tongue in cheek, observation. What you said in reply and your following comments were nonesense, pure and simple. Even now you can't justify your initial comment. Come on then, explain to me why the following system should be described as a Mac turned into a PC turned into a console:
Modified Mac CPU
Custom built ArtX GPU/SPU
Custom built motherboard
1T-SRam
Custom built storage medium
Rather then the following system:
An Actual freaking Mac with Windows!
NOTE: I'm speaking specifically about the XBox Next dev kit here not the finished XBox Next, since I haven't seen the finished XBox specs.
P.S. If you can possibly reply to me without cutting and pasting excessively that would be just lovely.
The simple fact of the matter is that what tkf said was quite a poinient, if tongue in cheek, observation. What you said in reply and your following comments were nonesense, pure and simple. Even now you can't justify your initial comment. Come on then, explain to me why the following system should be described as a Mac turned into a PC turned into a console:
Modified Mac CPU
Custom built ArtX GPU/SPU
Custom built motherboard
1T-SRam
Custom built storage medium
Rather then the following system:
An Actual freaking Mac with Windows!
NOTE: I'm speaking specifically about the XBox Next dev kit here not the finished XBox Next, since I haven't seen the finished XBox specs.
P.S. If you can possibly reply to me without cutting and pasting excessively that would be just lovely.
Right... you won't lower yourself to what you keep doing? get off your horse dude.
What a load teasy. My intial response to tkf was also tounge in cheek (hence the face next to it), but you seemed to take that as some sort of attack on gamecube, as usual. What you completly failed to understand was that TKF was actually listing the "process" MS has gone through to create their new console compared to their old console. The new process bares some resemblence to what happened with the gamecube.
Once again, a Mac IS a PC. PC stands for "personal computer". Mac's were personal computers the last time I checked. That's EXACTLY what I explained before. It really ends up working as "Mac without a hardrive turned into console", and what recent console does that currently describe? Gamecube!
Hold on a second, as I said before. Nintendo also started with development tools that ran on a " Freaking Mac " until thier real devkits arrived. So what is wrong with this exactly?
IS MS not going to use:
A modified Mac CPU?
A custom built ATI GPU?
A custom motherboard ?
A custom built storage medium?
These are all things we already know they are working on, as you seen by articles all over the net. Even if they end up just using stright PC parts, what do any of these have to do with the fact they can still be summed up as a mac without a hardrive turned into a console after it's finsihed? let me answer, it has NOTHING to do with the factit can be summed up that way.
Ok, and just what do you think nintendo ran thier development on before thier devkits were ready? MACS!! regardless, you could still sum up what nintendo did with gamecube in the EXACT same manner you can sum up what MS WILL do with Xbox 2. A mac without a hardrive turned into a console. There's nothing wrong with saying that at all, now GET OVER IT.
You shouldn't complain of cutting and pasting as you completly removed wha tyou wrote earlier. I just edit my spelling/grammar mistakes and add a few things to what i said occasionally. So what?
I think Teasy is talking about the quoting line by line type thing rather than editting the posts.. actually I know he is talking about that cos he just told me
BTW you guys keep it cool... dont want to lose these forums again now do we?
P.S. I aint attacking anyone here. I love to watch a good fight but this is getting of kind of old now. Is B3D being syndicated?!
BTW you guys keep it cool... dont want to lose these forums again now do we?
P.S. I aint attacking anyone here. I love to watch a good fight but this is getting of kind of old now. Is B3D being syndicated?!
Ya know what, this is getitng extremly tiring. You take one comment written by someone else as "tounge and cheek" and a similar comment made by me as a shot at the gamecube. no wonder you'd want to start arguing about it.
Honestly, if you look at the consoles in a high level description PS2 is compleletly original, xbox is a windows PC turned console (despite the BS you spouted about custom parts, because they are all custom parts in some way, minus the CPU.) and gamecube is a Mac turned console without a hardrive. So what? what is wrong with that? Nothing of course, so why are you arguing it?
If you have a problem with that teasy I suggest you STOP taking comments I say in such a serious manner, and honestly quit being so defensive about the damn cube.
no wonder you'd want to start arguing about it. Honestly, if you look at the consoles in a high level description PS2 is compleletly original, xbox is a windows PC turned console (despite the BS you spouted about custom parts, because they are all custom parts in some way, minus the CPU.) and gamecube is a Mac turned console without a hardrive. So what? what is wrong with that? Nothing of course, so why are you arguing it?
If you have a problem with that teasy I suggest you STOP taking comments I say in such a serious manner, and honestly quit being so defensive about the damn cube.
Tahir,
He always complains about that, but how else are you supposed to reply to MANY different accusations/inflamatory comments? If it's the only way to get a point across in response to someone else, then I don't see an alternative. No wait, I do see an alternative, teasy could stop trying to single out posts I make, while thinking it's his personal duty to respond and I'll do the exact same, deal?
He always complains about that, but how else are you supposed to reply to MANY different accusations/inflamatory comments? If it's the only way to get a point across in response to someone else, then I don't see an alternative. No wait, I do see an alternative, teasy could stop trying to single out posts I make, while thinking it's his personal duty to respond and I'll do the exact same, deal?
But right now they are making things worse, instead of turning a PC into a "Console" they are trying to turn a Mac into a PC into a "Console" with no harddrive.. i find it Weird, yet very exciting
Or a car...
Well what the heck *is* a Mac CPU? I mean there's been 4 different cores released on Macs since 2000, and of those 4 cores there's been about 10 revisions.
Huh? Ignore 32-bit support?
All "Power" processors since the POWER3 (that includes the RS64 and POWER4, and upcoming POWER5/6) have been PowerPC processors. The are no more cpus made that are POWER anymore... (The Power4 does however also support a variation of PowerPC called PowerPC-AS which basically includes legacy support of AS/400 systems).
So then you'd also have no problem with saying that the PS2 is just an SGI in a black box and the GCN is completely original design as well then would you?
Or a car...
Well what the heck *is* a Mac CPU? I mean there's been 4 different cores released on Macs since 2000, and of those 4 cores there's been about 10 revisions.
Huh? Ignore 32-bit support?
All "Power" processors since the POWER3 (that includes the RS64 and POWER4, and upcoming POWER5/6) have been PowerPC processors. The are no more cpus made that are POWER anymore... (The Power4 does however also support a variation of PowerPC called PowerPC-AS which basically includes legacy support of AS/400 systems).
So then you'd also have no problem with saying that the PS2 is just an SGI in a black box and the GCN is completely original design as well then would you?
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