XB360's media capabilities a little misrepresented?
- Thread starter Shifty Geezer
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This is totally unrelated, but does anyone know if with Vista what we now know as Media Center will be folded in? Or will Vista Media Center edition be one of the twenty flavors of Vista? Obviously I'm just wondering if 360 'extender' capability will flourish or not in the Vista era.
scooby_dooby
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xbdestroya said:
To confirm this, Vista will incorporate all the Xtender features contained in the current MCE.
In addition Vista will have it's own version of MCE called Diamond(??), but to unlock the Xtender functionality for X360 all you require is regular vista.
btw - Diamond sounds like a beast, minimum 2GB of ram recommended
scooby_dooby
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Guden Oden said:How can it be Apple's fault? It's no more Apple's fault you can't play itunes-DRM'd music through the x360 than it's Ford's fault their distributor caps don't fit on Honda engines. (See! The old car analogy owns everything else.)
Apple made their choice not to open up the DRM. Calling it their "fault" is just lame f-boy nonsense.
Yes apple made the CHOICE, good observation.
MS didn't CHOOSE not to support iTunes, Apple choose to be dicks about it, their fault, how can you blame MS?
therealskywolf
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If i was MS i would go like - "Not even if we make a deal? Ok, from now on ITUNES doens't work on XP, F you."
NEws ---> Ipod sales drop 30%, Competition rising!
lol
NEws ---> Ipod sales drop 30%, Competition rising!
lol
Alpha_Spartan
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MS didn't fail to tell us anything. It's common knowledge on the net that Xbox 360 won't play iTunes.Shifty Geezer said:
However, that's all a moot point since I use JHymn to rip my iTunes to my HDD so that I can stream my music to my Xbox 360.
If it's any comfort to you, Apple's being dicks about it to everyone. They sued that company whatsitsname that reverse-engineered the DRM for example. They understandably want to keep their toy to themselves, since it brings them a lot of money. Helping MS sell their console by allowing itunes compatibility is not in their interest. So therefore they choose to be dicks about it. Nothing new here...scooby_dooby said:
What makes you think I do that
Crazy! This is just more f-boy nonsense. For the record, I wouldn't care either way if x360 supports itunes or not because I'd never in a gogolplex years buy a single feckin track from apple, or anywhere else that sells music not only using lossy compression but also packed full of DRM for that matter.The consumer for thinking it should work? The consumer for buying into a proprietary solution and then discovering the extent of that nature?Powderkeg said:
I still blame Apple from a technological point of view, but not necessarily from a business sense. Their bread and butter is the end-to-end closed environment...
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silhouette
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What is the big deal about this? I really do not understand why someone wants to hook an mp3 player to xb360 and listen music from it.
I mean Xb360 would usually already be connected to a reciever, so why would you want to connect an mp3 player to the recevier through xb360? You can connect it directly. Of course, if the xb360 is connected only to TV and you want to listen music on your TV, that is a different story.
I think the more important thing is whether xb360 can stream and play music in mp4 format (not DRMed) from your PC (WinXP) or not. Having this capability is actually more interesting for most of the people, as this is the default format I-tunes uses when you rip your CDs to your PC.
I mean Xb360 would usually already be connected to a reciever, so why would you want to connect an mp3 player to the recevier through xb360? You can connect it directly. Of course, if the xb360 is connected only to TV and you want to listen music on your TV, that is a different story.
I think the more important thing is whether xb360 can stream and play music in mp4 format (not DRMed) from your PC (WinXP) or not. Having this capability is actually more interesting for most of the people, as this is the default format I-tunes uses when you rip your CDs to your PC.
You people are unbelievable, you and JvD both... That I said it wasn't apple's fault doesn't mean it's MS's. Jesus. They CHOSE to not open their DRM, fault or blame isn't even a factor here.Powderkeg said:
Broken logic.
loekf
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Guden Oden said:
Nope...
Most portable audio players (incl. some portable media/video player devices), so the ones supporting WMA and Windows Media DRM, can only sync'ed via a new protocol called MTP. This is not the same as USB mass storage. It's a new protocol, over USB.
I can't say too much due to NDAs etc, but as a hint Microsoft has another DRM system called Windows Media DRM for networked devices. In the original context content was streamed from a (most likely) PC over a network to a playback device. In principle you can do the same over USB. Here comes the Xbox360...
This has to do with how content is DRM protected. Generally speaking it's bound to the portable player, so can't leave the device.
scooby_dooby
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Guden Oden said:
They chose to be stubborn and uncooperative, to the detriment of they legally paying customers. It's Apple's fault this is the case because they could've easily allowed this to happen, and MS did their best to try and convince them.
If I had paid hundreds of dollars for an IPOD, and paid for all my songs legally (meaning they're my property) I would be pissed off that I wasn't able to playback on a X360 when all normal MP3's players can, as well as people with IPOD's containing pirated/ripped Audio tracks.
It's like Apple is punishing it's users for buying legal music, good show!
I'm with Guden here, some people here are truly unbelievable. To suggest a logical business decision requires someone to be at fault smells to me like someone here is trying to cover up the fanboy-nonsense that slipped out earlier.
Anyway, this to me isn't a fricking deal. Anyone wanting to listen to mp3s on the Xbox through the TV is just looking for excuses to put some blame onto someone. Boohooo Apple are to blame!!! They're anti consumer!! Boohooo
Anyway, this to me isn't a fricking deal. Anyone wanting to listen to mp3s on the Xbox through the TV is just looking for excuses to put some blame onto someone. Boohooo Apple are to blame!!! They're anti consumer!! Boohooo
Phil said:
If MS were to somehow prevent iTunes from working on XP as a 'logical business decision' wouldnt THAT incompatibility be THEIR fault? Who cares if its Apples fault anyway? MS wants it to work, Apple doesnt. Does it get any clearer than that? I dont begrudge them their right to do that, god knows MS has done similar things in the past but this time its Apple standing in the way of this functionality. I dont have an ipod so i personally dont care but i can see how people who do own one would since a few of the demos showed being able to stream a custom soundtrack off an iPod. No biggie though, everyone will get over it.
Alpha_Spartan
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The iTunes thing is moot. There are ways around it. Just google "JHymn". I use this to rip all my iTunes albums into regular MP3 unprotected format and share it via WMC.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
I'm going to have to go with Guden here as well. This isn't even a matter of "fault". It is silly to assume a company will open their standard to help a competing companies product out (although not competing in this space). Nobody should have assumed it would work in the first place. A choice by Apple, which is really the only logical choice they could have made, does not mean they are somehow guilty of denying users something they were gauranteed to begin with. When I got an iPod I expected to be able to play music on my iPod, and not on a console that isn't even out yet, which has no relation to the company that the iPod was made at.
Fault implies that they did something wrong. What gave anyone the idea that the right answer was to allow MS to play Apple's DRM (which is what saying Apple is at "fault" means)? Its like iTunes playing Sony's Connect DRM music or Connect playing iTunes DRM music -- as nice as it would be to have one common ground, thats not the world we live in and we can't just expect companies to throw away their goals as a company to help out another company (with often conflicting sets of goals). Neither company did anything wrong here. It is the way business works -- both made choices in their best interest (the arguement that it being able to play music on an Xbox360 is somehow in the best interest of consumers is moot -- the best interest of a few customers who would actually do it, but is that worth all the costs involved?); MS did what they could to provide a feature that might interest someone at very little cost to them, and Apple made a choice not to support MS in their endeavour to make the Xbox2 have more bullet points on their box (no surprise -- it is infact their DRM -- if you really wanted to you could get around it by burning them to cd and then ripping from the cd to mp3, worst case). Additionally, whos to say that MS's offer to Apple was very compelling to begin with -- how can we be sure that it was Apple who turned down the offer of their dreams? Chances are Apple didn't see any real benefit to them, because the feature will likely go unused by 99% of the people out there and opening up a standard/licensing it out opens up a huge can of worms. Who is this feature benefiting that didn't already have the ability to do something similar and just as easily? And what percentage of those people would the ability to play DRM music affect (I know several people with iPods and no DRM music)?
The only one at fault here is a user expecting to actually do something as silly as play DRM music on another device outside of what it was made to play on.
This really isn't such a big deal, but at the heart of this is a major problem with a lot of industries and consumers -- people expecting things they shouldn't logically be expecting. Dare I say, most angry/unsatisfied customers have their roots in this situation.
Fault implies that they did something wrong. What gave anyone the idea that the right answer was to allow MS to play Apple's DRM (which is what saying Apple is at "fault" means)? Its like iTunes playing Sony's Connect DRM music or Connect playing iTunes DRM music -- as nice as it would be to have one common ground, thats not the world we live in and we can't just expect companies to throw away their goals as a company to help out another company (with often conflicting sets of goals). Neither company did anything wrong here. It is the way business works -- both made choices in their best interest (the arguement that it being able to play music on an Xbox360 is somehow in the best interest of consumers is moot -- the best interest of a few customers who would actually do it, but is that worth all the costs involved?); MS did what they could to provide a feature that might interest someone at very little cost to them, and Apple made a choice not to support MS in their endeavour to make the Xbox2 have more bullet points on their box (no surprise -- it is infact their DRM -- if you really wanted to you could get around it by burning them to cd and then ripping from the cd to mp3, worst case). Additionally, whos to say that MS's offer to Apple was very compelling to begin with -- how can we be sure that it was Apple who turned down the offer of their dreams? Chances are Apple didn't see any real benefit to them, because the feature will likely go unused by 99% of the people out there and opening up a standard/licensing it out opens up a huge can of worms. Who is this feature benefiting that didn't already have the ability to do something similar and just as easily? And what percentage of those people would the ability to play DRM music affect (I know several people with iPods and no DRM music)?
The only one at fault here is a user expecting to actually do something as silly as play DRM music on another device outside of what it was made to play on.
This really isn't such a big deal, but at the heart of this is a major problem with a lot of industries and consumers -- people expecting things they shouldn't logically be expecting. Dare I say, most angry/unsatisfied customers have their roots in this situation.