XB360 hasn't got a scaling chip?

Check the B3D PS3 scaler article

 

If the GPU can scale without cost who cares. If not.. someone kept a secret better than Sony...

 

so what is difference between Sony not letting DVI(non HDCP) users to just play games whilst microsoft does when both consoles have an equipment to play HD films? is there copyright issues involved in this when making consoles in the first place?

the only reason i could have think of is because BRD is integrated into the console whilst 360 HD DVD drive isn't

 

For a number of titles that have licensed material (Singstar, for example) then I'd imagine that copy protection on those assets makes perfect sense, no?

There's little context as to when the HDCP functionality has to be enabled either. I would say it makes sense for the HDCP state state to be enabled/disabled during hardware initialisation (ie: a reboot). And bearing in mind that both Blu-ray movies and games both launch directly from XMB, without any form of OS reboot involved, it might be one of those things that's just gonna stay as-is. Basically, they'd both need to have HDCP enabled, or both disabled. And given Blu-ray content protection agreements, it's obviously enabled.

Just my thoughts, of course. And I direct readers to my signature...

Cheers,
Dean

 

What about SCEA through a VPN tunnel?

 

I'd say that its not common sense to do what the PS3 is doing!

And, you don't need a separate scaling chip. Graphics chips have "display pipelines" that perform a number of functions, including scaling. There isn't necessarily any need to be reading / writing to RAM when scaling as your scaler logic is going to have a maximum horzontal and vertical scale and you only need buffer enough input and output data according the those scaling factors (i.e. you don't scale the entire image at once, you scale for a certain number of samples as you pass out to the display hardware).

 

What is PS3 doing?

 

IIRC the most prominent issue people had with the PS3's scaling vs. the 360's was missing functionality not performance.

I find it very odd that this comes out after all this time and after public statements to the contrary. Time for some B3D investigative reporting?

 

Well said. Now tell us you sly dog

What I find interesting is that now the only confirmed and exposed hardware scaler is in the PS3...http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/16/

 

Now if they could just run 1080i..

 

Looks to me like they're saying the analog-only 360's have a scaling chip, but the digital scaling in the elite is being done with the help of the gpu.

 

Well, if this thread proves to be of any significance, its not a matter of could its really a matter of would

 

Pretty hard to accept that conclusion when we have this quote from amirm speaking on the Elite and regular 360s scaling.

"Given where the hardware is, the scaling logic is the same in both products."

link

 

That's a hard sell..anyways we have the B3D article already.

 

So if thats the case and its using the same scaling solution as the PS3 does that mean that a firmware update that upscales based on the system setting for all games not just ones with the feature built in is possible in the near future?

 

So ANA would be a video encoder…
Why included a video encoder in a game console?

 

encoding the signal (for vga, component etc), it's not video compression

 

So they did just read AVS then? Hah! "Microsoft has now confirmed to us" my arse.

 

"Taps" is a fairly generic term for samples - you sample things in multiple areas and isn't necessarily just something you would apply to describe texture filtering. Amirs reply also talks specifically about "hardware" and "logic" in relation to the scalar function, which are not necessarily the two terms you'd apply if it was a shader program.