Wii U hardware discussion and investigation *rename

I believe it was Espresso that said it was based on Broadway, not Prophecy2K.

 

Prophecy2K never claimed them to be Broadway cores, Espresso was.

Edit: Ninja'd

 

Because you have no idea if the CPU is a bottleneck at all on the aforementioned system for those games.

 

There are a lot of different games... what kind of games can a low CPU create a bottleneck? intensive A.I.? online gameplay?

 

Would you believe that after more than 15 years on the Internet, that's the first time I've ever ninja'd anyone?

@liolio:

I thought UE based games were CPU limited anyway. At least they generally were in the past, iirc.

 

I don't know I'm not the one that has to prove anything.
You are stating that the CPU is OK based on a few games running on undefined non final hardware.
That's your statement, I don't have to prove you if it's a fact or not.
I'm just pointing to you that you (and me) don't know, just the logic behind the claim is broken.

 

I´m not saying the CPU is OK xD, I am asking how a low cpu can drive some multiplat games.

Can a better GPU/worse CPU console drive the same game than better CPU/worse GPU console?

 

Define "a lot of". They are seeing a ton of late ports of multiplatform games made by totally different teams than PS3/360. They are getting a TON of kind "No thank you" for Q4/Q1 games.

This not how you succesfully launch to new a generation. You need to have developers leading on your platform like Sony had with the PS2 and Microsoft with Xbox 360. Nintendo Wii U will never be the target platform with this strategy. The truth is Wii U is the start new generation only by name not in development sense. Publishers are still leading mainly on Xbox 360 and in few cases on PS3 so any possible CPU issues in Wii U is big problem for Nintendo.

NG3 is reported to be 30fps at this time by Eurogamer.

Whatever other consoles do don't help them at all. Like any off the shelf x86 CPU they will be much stronger in general purpose code than this rumored Nintendo solution.

UE4 first on iPad or Wii U by Epic? Wii U is in nowhere land. People are not going to put iPad UE4 mobile games on Wii U and neither the high end stuff console stuff.

 

You're not getting my point, I am not "defending" Wii U, I only want to know if a low cpu can drive ports from a console with a better cpu (I'm assuming than Xenon is a better CPU than Wii U CPU) and if GPU can be a good solution for things CPU normally do..

And I want to know if a low cpu scheme can be enought for the future.

 

nintendo destroying hopes once again, it almost makes me angry.

 

EDIT was answering XpiderXM

Haven't you seen pretty low clock X86 dual cores running at low speed running quiet some pc games with a sane mobile GPU in laptop? Ain't perfect but runs games (some tanks completely though).

Keeping that in mind you should wonder how we can hear what we heard wrt to the WiiU CPU.

It can be noise or truth at this point but there is no need to try to make a point that a weak CPU is OK if it turns out true.
The problem is not the future but the concerns about porting nowadays games to the system.
Looking forward I can't see 3 low clock CPU cores being that much of a good choice.

 

I'm worried about future because porting from PS360 looks feasible (I don't know if all the multiplatform games), but what about porting from PS4/X720?

And I'm surprised because Wii U seemed better last year than this year.

 

Except for the fact that we have absolutely no idea what Nintendo's solution actually is to begin with. We don't even have any hard rumors to go by.

Xenon is fast, but that doesn't make it a good CPU. It's actually a rather bad CPU. I doubt the Wii U CPU will be even worse, but I also doubt it'll reach the same peak floating point performance.

 

I think some of you just want the WiiUCPU to be weaker than Xenos.

A particular developer (anonymous) is claiming (hearsay) to have issues porting their 360 or PS3 game over? Well maybe the issue lies elsewhere... like the aptitude of the developer themselves, their code, etc.

Show me some current ports coming to the WiiU where the CPU is a hindrance.

 

There's few people indeed here who would probably be ready to claim that even PS2 and original XBox are more powerful than WiiU

 

Maybe those games aren't getting ported to the WiiU?

 

Wii U build could have been running slow as a result of unoptimized tools & 3rd party middle ware? They would need to re-engineer the PS360 code to off load tasks to the DSP and Arm based I/O processor to reach parity with the PS360 builds.

 

How do you know they have even better frame rate and resolutions than PS360 versions? All the games at E3 were running at 720p, most without AA. They were even some reports that AC3 had a pretty shaky frame rate on the show floor.

 

I've readed 60fps fixed locked for Ninja Gaiden 3.

 

For a new machine to launch 7 years after the current generation started and having trouble getting it up and running because it's unoptimized is pathetic. We should be hearing devs talk about how their code isn't optimized yet but it doesn't matter because the CPU runs circles around Xenon and CELL regardless. But it sounds not be the case. It seems more like it's just on par or at the very best 50% faster, which either case is extremely lame of Nintendo. I could care less about the necessity of using a DSP and ARM I/O processor to offload tasks in order to reach parity with the other two systems. That simply sucks if true.

Let's face it. They gimped the system, again. And that is a disappointment.