Wii U hardware discussion and investigation *rename
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It's the boiling point of liquid nitrogen. If you engage in this kind of dragracing, it's the standard method.
Boobies?
I can't make out heads or tails of what these are
Evaporator heads for my Little Devil phase change case
See above
Jesus that's a vintage picture!
As transistors become colder they start to leak less current when there 'off' and 'on' so at a given amount of voltage they can handle more clock speed. Because of the higher efficiency chips often consume less power too!
LN2 or DICE is only used for benchmark and world record over clock attempts, phase cooling like I use is the only form of sub-zero cooling that can be used 24/7.
I have an EVGA SR-2 running dual Xenon X5670 CPU that are running at 5Ghz ( 12 physical cores and 24 threads with HT enabled )
My CPU's run at -20c and are stupid fast.
The compressors usually make a heck of a racket though, so phase-change cooling is a mixed bag of an experience really.
Compressors used in today's systems are very very quiet....
Expensive, compared to water cooling yes but the performance is worth it
Condensation proofing takes 30 minutes and peals off leaving no residue of any kind.
tongue_of_colicab
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How about the electricity bill?
Are we still talking about Wii U here? Liquid nitrogen cooling as a likely candidate for the Wii U? Or is this another example of PC gamers going off on an irrelevant tangent?
Observation:
Recently NOA President stated that Retro and EAD might show what they are working on during the next E3... might. The impression that he gave me was that these games would not be ready in 2013. For the last two E3's we have not seen anything Nintendo's premier powerhouse studios are working on.
As a matter of fact, Nintendo has managed to garner some impressive pre-sale numbers without showing any EAD or Retro titles. Developers known for showing off the graphical capablilities of systems and could put an end to the WiiU only being current tech talk.
Software Development Group No. 3
last title was Skyward Sword released in 2011.
I wouldn't expect to see anything from them till 2014.
Tokyo Development Group No. 1
made Super Mario Galaxy for 2007, last game was a DS game back in 2011
Tokyo Development Group No. 2
made Super Mario Galaxy 2 for 2010, last game was a 3DS game back in 2011.
Retro
last console game was DKCR also back in 2010. Helped with a 3DS title that
launched in 2011.
On average, Nintendo studios dont take more than two years to produce console games with breaks in between to work on portable games. So I would expect that Nintendo would have ready at least a Retro or EAD title for 2013. But it doesn't seem likely.
What we do see is that Nintendo has decided to publish Ninja Gaiden for launch, put a team together to get Smash Bros out for 2013, and resurrected Bayonetta which we might get to see how it looks later this year and probably they want out by the end of 2013. Obviously Nintendo wants to make sure they attract the core, but they could have done a better job doing so by showing off their first party titles too.
Question, what is holding up Nintendo's big studios?
Did Nintendo make a last minute change in the hardware that sent their teams back to the drawing board? As in, they wanted to capitilize on the new capabilites of the hardware? Are the team having issues implementing online into their games, something Nintendo wants to focus on this gen? And/or, are the teams having issues going from SD development to HD, as some have suspected?
There have been statements by some forum goers that they have seen jumps in quality in games since E3. There was that one statement that Nintendo fixed CPU issues in their last dev kit back in May. We have been hearing recently games being upgraded to 1080p the last few weeks. Here is an example:
Nintendo has updated there wii u spec's a lot more then what Sony and Ms had first believed.. when the word back at e3 got around that big n had dropped the 5000 series for a 7000 series gpu both sony and ms were forced to with hold unveiling there next gen console as they both had 6000+ cores with better hybrid tech based 2nd gpus in there system. yes both had decide to not show....
....Now the shocking thing out off all this is Ms and sony have both gone back to change things.. Sony has changed there specs in there console, While Ms have decide to change 70% of the gpu/cpu specs.. And now the so called "bad news" ms will most likely not have to delay the 720 past September 2013..
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/100515.html
Assuming there is a basis to this rumor, how much difference would going from, for example, a 5000 series based GPU to a 7000 based GPU offer the developer?
Recently NOA President stated that Retro and EAD might show what they are working on during the next E3... might. The impression that he gave me was that these games would not be ready in 2013. For the last two E3's we have not seen anything Nintendo's premier powerhouse studios are working on.
As a matter of fact, Nintendo has managed to garner some impressive pre-sale numbers without showing any EAD or Retro titles. Developers known for showing off the graphical capablilities of systems and could put an end to the WiiU only being current tech talk.
Software Development Group No. 3
last title was Skyward Sword released in 2011.
I wouldn't expect to see anything from them till 2014.
Tokyo Development Group No. 1
made Super Mario Galaxy for 2007, last game was a DS game back in 2011
Tokyo Development Group No. 2
made Super Mario Galaxy 2 for 2010, last game was a 3DS game back in 2011.
Retro
last console game was DKCR also back in 2010. Helped with a 3DS title that
launched in 2011.
On average, Nintendo studios dont take more than two years to produce console games with breaks in between to work on portable games. So I would expect that Nintendo would have ready at least a Retro or EAD title for 2013. But it doesn't seem likely.
What we do see is that Nintendo has decided to publish Ninja Gaiden for launch, put a team together to get Smash Bros out for 2013, and resurrected Bayonetta which we might get to see how it looks later this year and probably they want out by the end of 2013. Obviously Nintendo wants to make sure they attract the core, but they could have done a better job doing so by showing off their first party titles too.
Question, what is holding up Nintendo's big studios?
Did Nintendo make a last minute change in the hardware that sent their teams back to the drawing board? As in, they wanted to capitilize on the new capabilites of the hardware? Are the team having issues implementing online into their games, something Nintendo wants to focus on this gen? And/or, are the teams having issues going from SD development to HD, as some have suspected?
There have been statements by some forum goers that they have seen jumps in quality in games since E3. There was that one statement that Nintendo fixed CPU issues in their last dev kit back in May. We have been hearing recently games being upgraded to 1080p the last few weeks. Here is an example:
Nintendo has updated there wii u spec's a lot more then what Sony and Ms had first believed.. when the word back at e3 got around that big n had dropped the 5000 series for a 7000 series gpu both sony and ms were forced to with hold unveiling there next gen console as they both had 6000+ cores with better hybrid tech based 2nd gpus in there system. yes both had decide to not show....
....Now the shocking thing out off all this is Ms and sony have both gone back to change things.. Sony has changed there specs in there console, While Ms have decide to change 70% of the gpu/cpu specs.. And now the so called "bad news" ms will most likely not have to delay the 720 past September 2013..
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/100515.html
Assuming there is a basis to this rumor, how much difference would going from, for example, a 5000 series based GPU to a 7000 based GPU offer the developer?
TheWretched
Regular
With an average power usage of 45 Watts for the full WiiU system... I guess there's little difference between a 5000 or a 7000 series. Both would be Dx11 devices (and guessing that both would've been manufactured at 28nm, I don't think there's THAT much of a difference, either).
Megadrive1988
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Great observations MDX, thanks for posting all that.
When has a rumour ever claimed either HD5000 or HD7000 series GPUs in the Wii U? To my knowledge, the rumour has always been an RV7xx variant which was the codename for the HD4000 series. Anything else is likely just people confusing terminology and thinking RV700 equals HD7000.
1080p capability also has little to do with the product series. A high-end HD4000 is still twice faster than a low-end HD7000.
1080p capability also has little to do with the product series. A high-end HD4000 is still twice faster than a low-end HD7000.
Blazkowicz
Legend
beware of renamed cards, low end HD7000 are HD6000 series , on laptops and OEM.
a 4870 and a 7750 will be about equal, only the former is an oven comparatively. (high end and built on 55nm)
, on laptops and OEM.a 4870 and a 7750 will be about equal, only the former is an oven comparatively. (high end and built on 55nm)
Maybe it was a typo. English doesn't seem to be his mother language either.
But your point is still stands.
Megadrive1988
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I haven't been following to closely, but I would think the range for Durango would be 1.5~3 TFlops.
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