Why was my Kutaragi Ken reveals new processor thread locked?

[DeadmeatGA]

I simply linked to the article, said nothing more. It didn't deserve a lock.

Beside, somebody asked for an exact translation in the locked thread, so here I go.

Cellのほかに、メディアプロセッサを開発

開発中のCellに関して久夛良木副社長は、「2005～6年にTVとホームサーバー、エンターテイメント機器に搭載する」としたほか、「Cellはネットワークプロセッサ。様々なブロードバンドメディアを扱うには、Cellと同時にまったく新しいメディアプロセッサが必要で、これがデジタル家電のもう1つの核となる」とし、Cellと組み合わせて使用されるメディアプロセッサの存在が明らかにされた。

Development of a new media processor in addition to Cell

Concerning the Cell under development, vice president Kutaragi stated that 「it will be put into TV, home server, and entertainment devices in 2005~2006. 」as well as adding that「Cell is a network processor. To handle different kinds of broadband media, an entirely new media processor is needed in addition to Cell, and this will form the single core of digital consumer electronics.」, so the existence of a media processor used in conjunction with Cell has been revealed.

Well, the article makes it clear, there is yet another unidentified “media processorâ€￾ involved in Kutaragi’s strategy.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

That media processor is linked with the broadband processor/engine?

 

[London Geezer]

Why was my thread locked?

maybe because it was just another one of your threads on how little you know about whatever you are talking about and have so little to do with Consoles (which is what this board is about, in case you forgot) that they get inevitably derailed into other stupid discussion...?

...just a guess...


oh, just a reminder: threads asking why other threads were locked, are always locked...

 

[DeadmeatGA]

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That media processor is linked with the broadband processor/engine?

Apparantly yes. Cell as the network processor will handle the data flow, while this new unnamed media processor will handle the audiovisual presentation.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Or could we have the Broadband Engine as the CPU and this Media Engine as the GPU of the system ?

 

[DeadmeatGA]

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Or could we have the Broadband Engine as the CPU and this Media Engine as the GPU of the system ?

Since Kutaragi makes a clear distinction between Cell and this new processor, this is not a Cell derivative.

 

[rabidrabbit]

How did you get that translation? Is it your own japanese -> Babelfish english -> english translation?
If so, it is no more, no less than speculation (I'm ok with that).

 

[Panajev2001a]

Re: ...

Or could we have the Broadband Engine as the CPU and this Media Engine as the GPU of the system ?

Since Kutaragi makes a clear distinction between Cell and this new processor, this is not a Cell derivative.

You can still read basic English, can't you ?

CELL = CPU of PlayStation 3 != Media Engine chip which would be = GPU of PlayStation 3.

I listened to the conference and Kutaragi did not seem to imply CELL and this Media Engine were separate, but more like one being an implementation of the other, btw.

 

[Megadrive1988]

IBL


well, I think PS3 will use a certain version of Cell, that no other products will use, except PS3-compatable machines (like PSX II)


PS3 will (or should) have:

Emotion Engine 3 / Broadband Engine (CPU)
Graphics Synthesizer 3 / Visualizer (GPU)


maybe this new media processor is something other than EE3 and GS3?

 

[Paul]

Apparantly yes. Cell as the network processor will handle the data flow, while this new unnamed media processor will handle the audiovisual presentation.

Your mistaken on this one. Take it from a network guy.

Routers don't need FLOPS or OPS. Let me guess, your going to have a 1TFLOPS router?

This unnamed "media" processor is most likely a Cell based GPU, it's probably what VS is in the patent.

Unless I misread what you were saying and you meant that "Cell" will be doing all the rendering and a new media processor will put it on screen? Such as a BE and VS thing.(figure 6 scenario)

so the existence of a media processor used in conjunction with Cell has been revealed.

Durrr! You would HAVE to have another "media processor" used with a PS3 Cell unless you used just VS's. BE by itself doesn't have a CRTC.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Apparantly yes. Cell as the network processor will handle the data flow, while this new unnamed media processor will handle the audiovisual presentation.

Your mistaken on this one. Take it from a network guy.

Routers don't need FLOPS or OPS. Let me guess, your going to have a 1TFLOPS router?

This unnamed "media" processor is most likely a Cell based GPU, it's probably what VS is in the patent.

Unless I misread what you were saying and you meant that "Cell" will be doing all the rendering and a new media processor will put it on screen? Such as a BE and VS thing.(figure 6 scenario)

so the existence of a media processor used in conjunction with Cell has been revealed.

Durrr! You would HAVE to have another "media processor" used with a PS3 Cell unless you used just VS's. BE by itself doesn't have a CRTC.

In a Router you do not see FLOPS, but you do see Integer Ops... to handle 1 Gbps IPv6 streams you need some power, but I do not doubt CELL can address those needs, any parallel architecture could be implemented to work in a Router for packet decoding, ecapsulation/de-encapsulation, running routing protocols, etc...

Still 1 TFLOPS or even 512 GFLOPS are over-kill for a PURE Network processor.

 

[Paul]

I'm talking about this, not a Cisco Or was he talking about BE being a Router at a ISP?

It's just a switch.

Calling Broadband Engine a router or just a "network processor" as I've seen many do is just wrong; it can handle network packets but this is beyond the point. The fact that it has FLOPS is enough to know that it won't just be handeling network packets, It's going to compute; and compute it's ass off at that.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I'm talking about this, not a Cisco Or was he talking about BE being a Router at a ISP?

It's just a switch.

Calling Broadband Engine a router or just a "network processor" as I've seen many do is just wrong; it can handle network packets but this is beyond the point. The fact that it has FLOPS is enough to know that it won't just be handeling network packets, It's going to compute; and compute it's ass off at that.

I agree with you on the FP performance argument: people might take a CELL processor and use it in Routers as they do with Itanium 2 ( I have seen an Itanium 2 based Router ).


He was talking about a real router, like a blade on one of those BGP4-BGP4+/OSPFv3 enabled Routers and not cheap Netlink routers ( which still do ops even though a lot of stuff is Hardwired in the Switching fabric and the rest of the system ).

 

[nondescript]

Since the other thread on the 8Tflop processor was locked...here's the reply I was gonna post there. Sorry if its OT, but I thought I'd clear things up a little.

This is a optically-based DSP, and its a very limited DSP at that, since, at it's core, it is a 256x256 vector-multiplier matrix. So it can do memoryless transformations, since it has no optically-based combinatorial logic or memory (I don't think anyone has gotten that out of the lab yet). For logic and memory, it still relies on silicon based stuff (which operates at silicon-based speeds)

In a nutshell, this is more like a optical switching matrix than a processor, although it can do memoryless vector addition. The reason it is 8 teraflops is because the light itself has a bandwidth in the gigahertz range (normal for fiber optics).

Not to say that this isn't a impressive piece of technology - it is (opto-electronics is a popular field right now) - but this is fundamentally different from CELL or any other CPU. It's like comparing a ski lift to car. A ski life is very good at what it does, and maybe in people-meters/sec it is very impressive, but it is very limited. A car is not as good for taking people up slopes, but it can do a lot more.

Future CPUs may incorporate technologies found in this chip (optical interconnects/buses have been kicking around for awhile) but this is not a general purpose CPU, or even a real DSP.

 

[Qroach]

Stop posting your trollish PS3 topics. God am I ever sick of seeing you post the same nonesense over and over agian.