What to make of this report?

Could be seeing the light like Hitchens. Both Fisk and Hitchens are old buddies of Chomsky, the "always find fault with US, US Govt and US Media always lying and distorting crowd", however lately Hitchens almost sounds like Wolfowitz. Hitchens broke off from old Noam, once he realized senility must be setting in. (Noam tried to claim that Vaclav Havel was worse than a Stalinist because he praised the US for their help in liberating Eastern Europe, and because on his first visit to the US, the US was engaged in El Salvadore, and Havel didn't condemn the US during his congressional speech)

Fisk was also beaten senseless to near death by a mob of Afghanis recently, and since his own country is now involved in military conflict in the region, and the Iraqi information minister's propaganda is so thinly disguised and easily disproven, he might finally be realizing the nature of the people he was supporting all these years.

Most of the anti-capitalist crowd during the 60s switched sides after they found out what was REALLY going on behind the Iron Curtain, and in China, and other communist regimes. Fisk, Hitchens, Chomsky, are holdouts. Rather than admit the criminality of the very political philosophy they defended so much, they play semantic games to try to draw moral equivalence between the east and the west.

I think Hitchens, and now Fisk, realize that there is no moral equivalence, and one side is clearly better off for humanity than the other.

The holdouts are simply socialist dead enders like those nutcase Stalinists and Maoists (Workers World Party anyone), and even Nazis, who won't admit they were wrong.
 
Maybe the ticket is neither side is very good? If only in different ways...

No one is really stupid enough to claim that the Iraqi leadership are saints, so there's no point continually going back to the well to try to support your viewpoint.
 
Nagorak said:
Maybe the ticket is neither side is very good? If only in different ways...

No one is really stupid enough to claim that the Iraqi leadership are saints, so there's no point continually going back to the well to try to support your viewpoint.

And maybe the retreat to moral equivalence is intellectual cowardice and a shoddy argument? The argument that "we do bad things, therefore we are equally bad" is like saying "well, the world isn't black and white, it's all gray, and therefore, pretty much equally bad"
 
Ive been reading both Hitchens and Fisk for a while now and am not surprised by this bit at all... There are many attitudes in the left wing camp and not just closet stalinists or other radicals ( I doubt either have completely renounced any of their peers like Chomsky but they probably have debated him on some issues).

Hitchens simply sees the removal of Saddams regime as quickening the progressive soaicl agenda thru democracy. Process which is stalled under the faschist Hussein. Both still engage the US for its faults. In fact Hitchens move to the states in part to start here what is already healthy in Britain. That is an honest debate about social issues as civilisation moves along in the next century...

You make the left wing seem so shallow demo but you probably havent read much about what the 'left' actually has had to say. And I dont mean the communist manifesto...
 
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