You think PS5 is more powerful than PS4 was in 2013 on a relative basis?
What if lower end hardware was targeted last generation? *spawn*
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You think PS5 is more powerful than PS4 was in 2013 on a relative basis?
Oh yea. At least imo; provided they release soonish, they’re on The upper end of compute. The are on the upper end of VRAM, the upper end of I/O.
Mid range gpu at 10TF compared to ampere/rdna2 north of 15tf at the least (2080Ti already there 2018). Not talking titan stuff then.
CPU no idea but 12 and 16core ryzens do exist at higher speeds. Heres where the biggest difference is conpared to last gen.
Ram might be higher end, depends on the user but 16 total should be midrange. Nowadays its common with 8 to 11gb for higher end gpu’s, and 16 to 32gb main ram.
IO highest end range i think, with optane probably having some advantages aside from read speeds.
CPU no idea but 12 and 16core ryzens do exist at higher speeds. Heres where the biggest difference is conpared to last gen.
Ram might be higher end, depends on the user but 16 total should be midrange. Nowadays its common with 8 to 11gb for higher end gpu’s, and 16 to 32gb main ram.
IO highest end range i think, with optane probably having some advantages aside from read speeds.
No-one's making a comparison with PC's where the individual CPU or GPU cost as much or even more than the consoles. 'High end' clearly means "relative to median average parts actually owned and used by PC gamers." Or rather, as the comparison is being made with PS4, "given where PS4 was in relation to PC power, how does PS5 fair relative to PC power?"
CPU wise, PS4 was low end, GPU wise, it was okay. HDD wise, it was a slow 5400 RPM drive. RAM wise it was very good.
Something like that. Compared to $10,000 PC, the consoles are shit, but that doesn't need to be raised ever because it's obvious. That is never a 'high end' point of reference.
CPU wise, PS4 was low end, GPU wise, it was okay. HDD wise, it was a slow 5400 RPM drive. RAM wise it was very good.
Something like that. Compared to $10,000 PC, the consoles are shit, but that doesn't need to be raised ever because it's obvious. That is never a 'high end' point of reference.
Not the same thing. The only gpus thats reaching 10TF are the highest end Navi and Vega. On the Nvidia side, you have the 80 series cards.
A few months after the PS4 launch, AMD was selling equivalent PC gpus (~1.8 Tflops) for less than $150. Similarly equivalent to XB1 PC gpus went for $99.
You think we are going get a 10TF PC gpus anywhere near those prices. AMD cheapest Navi cant be had for those prices.
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Yes obviously, it all depends on the individual how you want to see it. 'High end pc' in my eyes is a 2080 or higher, enthusiast maybe Titan range of gpu's. Another might see 2060/2070 vanilla as high end.
No idea where you get 10.000 dollars pc example from? To surpass a 10TF next gen console you won't need to spend that much, probably around the 12 to 15k mark seems more realistic. A 3070 or even 3060 will do, with a R7 3700 or higher, PCIE4 ssd. Yes youre going to pay close to three times more perhaps but you can also do more with it and obtain higher settings etc.
No matter how high NV is pricing their GPU's, a 2070 (non super) is considered 'lower end of the high range' or 'mid range' in the lineup for ray tracing enabled gpus. Obviously a 5700XT at somewhat below 10TF is high end for AMD, but then again they don't really compete with NV in the high end yet but they will with RDNA2.
That's true, prices have gone up (thanks to NV?) in the GPU space, it's not that easy to compare with 2013. I think by the end of 2020, with both Ampere and RDNA2 out, 10TF is closer to mid range then high end atleast. There where rumours of 18TF+ GPU's, which wouldn't be so strange as a 2080Ti is over 14TF on boost.
Offcourse with a console you get more value at launch, it's cheaper, that wasnt my point. But 10.000 dollar pc's? Wonder what kind of setup nets you with that kind of money. Someone spending 10k probably does more then playing games.
2070/2070S should be close to PS5 i think.
Enlighten how that works?
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With Apple, it's always a minimum of five years from product release. That's is the expectation with i-devices as having been on the market for thirteen yers. The expectation with consoles is that they last until the next generation. If Microsoft goes generation-less, this is the dilemma they create and need to solve unless they're ok with just pissing people off.
SSD + Velocity architecture = extreme fast geometry rendering, memory multiplier and I / O performance multiplier. These things were not available in the previous generation.
It's not about how one wants to see it, but what the argument actually is.
What does Iroboto mean by 'high end'? Obviously not the elite 1-2% of the PC market. That's 'enthusiast' or 'specialist' or something. We'd call a $20,000 car mainstream and a $40,000 car high-end, and anything in the $100,000+ goes beyond high-end. You aren't confining your arguments or definition to the correct relative domain. Heck, even the range of 'high end' isn't defined anywhere, so we have to use a lot of common sense in following the spirit of what people write to avoid getting bogged down in trivial arguments over semantics, like 'is 2070 high end of mid range?'It's a rhetorical figure to show there's no price limit on PCs and throughout all of history, if you pay enough you get a PC that eclipses consoles. Hence there's no point considering the 'price is no object' hardware. That just derails discussions (oh look, this is another thread talking about PC hardware and you listing off PC parts...)
I find it highly ironic that we have a thread here complaining about the merits of a lower spec xbox system but then singing the praises of a low spec portable ps5. Not only that but the censoring of posts pointing out the hypocrisy of it all.
So if lockhart is bad why then is ps5 portable good ? Esp since one is realistic and the other is not
So if lockhart is bad why then is ps5 portable good ? Esp since one is realistic and the other is not
For cars you have a lot of over lap in pricing. There are some cars that can be considered a luxury car that start in the 30-40k range like the smallest Mercedes but with features and everything you could break 200k. Then you have the premium luxury cars like the bentely's that start around a 150k and could cost half a million or more fully loaded. A rolls royce can go for 13 million and there are specific Mercedes that go cost almost 10m.It's not about how one wants to see it, but what the argument actually is.
It's a rhetorical figure to show there's no price limit on PCs and throughout all of history, if you pay enough you get a PC that eclipses consoles. Hence there's no point considering the 'price is no object' hardware. That just derails discussions (oh look, this is another thread talking about PC hardware and you listing off PC parts...)
So there is a huge range of cars that I think the majority of us on these forums would consider high range.
For consoles we see that even at $600 a console like the ps3 can sell decently enough that it can then move down to lower price points and sell almost a 100m consoles. So we don't know the high end of the console market. Would a 24 Tflop monster of a system at $700 outsell a $500 ps5/xsx level hardware? What about a 16 or 18tflop but with 24 gigs of ram or 32 gigs of ram ? I'd imagine the games would like quite amazing on such systems compared to the announced hardware .
Is there enough of a market that if Sony or MS made a console like that , people would open up thier wallets for it? I certainly believe so just as I believe that there is a huge market of people who want all the new graphical features and new games but want to pay a lower price for it.
Those posts are from different people. You weren't censored, but your fanboy warring was removed, and I see you want to bring it up regardless. Some people saying Lockhart is a bad idea doesn't mean saying PS5 portable is a good idea.
There is no gestalt 'Sony fans' or 'the board'. MrFox saying he thinks LH is a bad idea doesn't mean Orangpelupa must agree with him and is being hypocritical when he likes the idea of a portable PS5. Stop seeing sides where none exist. The board (and the Internet) population is individuals so engage with them as such. If MrFox says a low-end LH is bad but a low-end PS5 is good, discuss with him. But if someone completely different expresses a different idea, don't go shooting off accusations and complaints against 'the board'. Understand that you're perception of hypocrisy is entirely in your head because you are having trouble recognising that the words appearing on the screen are coming from dozens of different people.
I think you yourself are warring. I bought up the point that if one is a terrible idea and then suddenly the other is a great idea that its a large double standard. Yet here we are in a thread about the lack of merit of a specifically named console. Perhaps you should remove lockhart from the title or add ps5 portable to it.
But this entire thread isnt talking about either. Its talking about last generation. Its talking about the Nintendo Switch product. Which has sold amazingly well into the millions.
I think it serves purpose by showing just how well products can sell and be loved by consumers despite the technical specifications and performance levels.
I think it serves purpose by showing just how well products can sell and be loved by consumers despite the technical specifications and performance levels.
It's not a double standard if it's coming from different people.
Some people, individuals, are saying they personally think a lower-spec SKU is disadvantageous. Others are saying they disagree. In a different thread, some people are saying they like the idea of a lower-spec'd PS5 portable. Feel free to contribute your own personal viewpoint to either.
They are different individuals. I can't make sure they all post the same unified viewpoints. Public discussions don't work that way. B3D isn't a religious organisation where we can tell people what to think. There cannot be a double standard except on the individual level where a poster, singular, can have a double standard, which you should challenge them on. If someone has posted in this thread LH is a bad idea but in the PS5Portable thread that PS5P would be a good idea, ask them to explain themselves.
But don't complain that Orangpelupa liking the idea of a PS5P and MrFox thinking a low-spec console is a bad idea is a double standard, especially implying platform favouritism at the root of it.
The only product that fits the perspective of my first post is the rumored lockhart home console.
A hypothetical portable can be as underpowered as they want as long as compatibility with the home console is optional from the start.
My perspective about a hypothetical portable with mandatory compatibility with the home console is identical to my perspective expressed in my first post about LH.
Regardless, PS5P is so far a pure fantasy speculation, while LH is a credibly rumored product.
A hypothetical portable can be as underpowered as they want as long as compatibility with the home console is optional from the start.
My perspective about a hypothetical portable with mandatory compatibility with the home console is identical to my perspective expressed in my first post about LH.
Regardless, PS5P is so far a pure fantasy speculation, while LH is a credibly rumored product.
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so what is the Schroger's switch ? A console or a portable ? What is lockhart ? my switch is played mainly docked , I only take it on the go when my wife travels with me because she plays it. Otherwise I use my rk2020 and my surface pro for gaming on the go.
