What does everyone think about the ATI video presentation?

[Raystream]

I found interesting that every time the talked about 256 bit for the memory bus they said that they were going to up it the next gen.

Raystream

 

[Natoma]

Re: What does everyone think about the ATI video presentatio

I found interesting that every time the talked about 256 bit for the memory bus they said that they were going to up it the next gen.

Raystream

Well considering what they got out of the 0.15um process (256bit, 400-420Mhz core) with relatively low core temperature, I wouldn't be surprised to see ATI take 0.13um process and increase the memory to 512bit. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Though gosh how many pins are we talking about for all those traces??

 

[Dave Baumann]

Mmmmm - having a bit of a dig about "Having 8 pipelines by everyones definition".

 

[demalion]

OK, I'm a bit slow tonight. Took me quite a bit of thinking and annoyance to recall where I saw an "ATI video presentation" before (it hadn't happened yet at the time I found it the first time).

I presume this is the one being discussed?

[cranky old man]
If so, was it realllly so hard to link it, if you wanted to start a discussion about it?
[/cranky old man]

 

[demalion]

the first 5 minutes of that...

 

[Ilfirin]

Wow, ATi actually has good taste in music




Hehehe @ the pixel pipeline stuff

 

[TheMightyPuck]

LOL

 

[DeathKnight]

Honestly, I think they were trying a bit too hard at the beginning there.

 

[Natoma]

Mmmmm - having a bit of a dig about "Having 8 pipelines by everyones definition".

Yea I thought that was pretty hilarious given the events of the past few weeks. I wonder when his speech was written? hehe.

The other part was the dig at the GFFX with regard to DX9. He said "We're the only company with a DX9 driver." Considering the GFFX, at least from the reviews I've read, has a seriously borked, if not completely missing, PS1.4 implementation, it would seem that Nvidia really can't say that they are DX9 compliant..... Man...

 

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

I do not believe what I'm seeing (first 5min)...

 

[Natoma]

Once again, it's a full 8-pipeline device. I'll repeat it again, because it's getting kind of fuzzy out there on what a pipeline is. It can render 8 pixels per cycle, fully rendered. And my other committment to the press out there is I'm not going to come back in a few months and say "Welllll... maybe it's 4 pixel pipelines under certain kind of conditions." Again, all rendered 8 fully pixel pipelines under all conditions."

 

[Raystream]

ahh

Sorry about that I was in the middle of watching nvidia's new video presentation for the Geforce FX and was not thinking about linking the ATI presentation. And right now nvidia has put some security crap that any type of linking to there presentation does not excute. But yea that is the video presentation I was referring to. One thing I found interesting was that there was little said about the F-buffer that I can recall.

Raystream

 

[GreenBeret]

lol the guy was comparing the 9800 Pro to a Quadro FX 2000 in some OGL & DX9 shader tests. Was something like 50 fps vs 2 !

 

[jjayb]

The funniest thing was Richard Huddy talking about nvidias fudgy drudgery 16 bit tricks. I nearly fell on the floor.

 

[Ilfirin]

Aye

 

[GreenBeret]

The funniest thing was Richard Huddy talking about nvidias fudgy drudgery 16 bit tricks. I nearly fell on the floor.

LOL I just watched that part.

ROFL !

 

[Goragoth]

Interesting presentation. Anyone else notice the 9200 vs. MX440 comparison and 3dmark03? That was kind of unfair considering the MX isn't even DX8.1 and won't run most of the tests. Sure, they want to make their product look good but they could have said something about that then and not just make it look like the 9200 is 5x as fast as the MX (which its clearly not).

LOL @ the pixel-pipe def comments too. Also, the comment about the Nvidia bus and their employees wanting to see the fastest graphics

 

[Windfire]

I watched the entire video and one thing kept hitting hard. Nvidia's mistakes are pretty easy targets!

"We only take 1 slot"

"It's amazing how a fan could be so important" in reference to the 9800 being quiet compared to the FX.

And of course, over and over "we have 8 pixels per cycle..."

I'm really interested to see how all of these cards benchmark. The biggest weakness I see is that the 9200 class cards are only DX 8.1.

edit: typo

 

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

Interesting presentation. Anyone else notice the 9200 vs. MX440 comparison and 3dmark03? That was kind of unfair considering the MX isn't even DX8.1 and won't run most of the tests. Sure, they want to make their product look good but they could have said something about that then and not just make it look like the 9200 is 5x as fast as the MX (which its clearly not)...

I think it's pretty fair given the price points. There's no one else to blame but NVIDIA for introducing that crappy GF4MX series.

 

[Raystream]

HUH!

On a side relative topic I was just watching the "new" nvidia video presentation, and in the last 5 miutes of it I couldn't believe what I heard after all that PR from them!

"I vow that very shortly nvidia will regain its performance leadership and we absolutely attend to do that."

Raystream

P.S. Also I wonder how the 256mb version will perform. Being that ATI has already stated that they have come up with a DDRII method for better performance. From what I can remember they said that when they came on TechTv and demonstrated their Radeon 9700 Pro with DDRII.