Sabastian said:
Natoma said:
Oh you can have your backward ideals and close mindedness all you like. No one is trying to take that away from you. Keep yourself as unenlightened as you like.
I will likely always discrimanate against people if I don't like their behavior. So will the rest of the world, if there is anyone whom thinks that they can simply change peoples minds by making laws about discrimanation they need to dig their head out of the dirt. Yeah me and my ignorance will most likely always think that discrimanation is something people do every day. Government (not to mention the UN.) should not be trying to jam these sorts of laws down peoples throats.
The first step to changing a society's views is to change the laws. If you outlaw something, or make something legal, that will, over time, affect how society views it. Look at abortion as an example of something that was made legal. Or drunken driving as an example of something that was made illegal.
Anti-discrimination laws *do* have an impact on society because it becomes ingrained in the fabric of that society.
Sabastian said:
Natoma said:
The UN is basically saying you can't trod on those who 'disgust' you. I'm quite sure there are many christian fundamentalists that despise the heresy of the middle east, and vice versa. But they don't have the right to deny those other groups their rights.
I am sorry, I don't intend to "trod" on anyone. I will however always discrimanate against people based on how they behave. Freedom of religion is not comparable .. but that certainly doesn't stop you or others form discrimanating against them via judgements and there should be no law forbiding it ether.
How is freedom of religion not comparable? Someone who believes in a different religion will act differently. They may even behave in a manner that is, according to "your" religion, unseemly.
Think about what an islamic fundamentalist would have to say about women in our society walking around with short skirts and no facial coverings. The horror!
So tell me, how is religion not comparable? And btw, I don't discriminate against religious people. I don't like it when they try to force their bigoted beliefs on me. I could care less in who believes in what, but when those beliefs impact my ability to live my life to the fullest, that's where I draw a line in the sand.
Sabastian said:
Natoma said:
Homosexuality is not a way of 'acting' anymore than Heterosexuality is a way of 'acting.' Seeing a guy and a girl go at it doesn't particularly light a fire in my bones, but you don't see me going out of my way to kill all the straights or deny all the straights their rights.
If one behaves like a hetrosexual how is that not? There should be no laws of governance that say individuals cannot discrimanate against another based on actions or behavior. Is that more clear for you?
What exactly is behaving like a heterosexual? What exactly is behaving like a homosexual? If you behave like something, then you're mimicking. If you *are* something, that's something totally different.
There most *certainly* should be laws to protect people who are homosexual, as there are laws to protect people who have certain religious beliefs. It's called protection of minorities.
Sabastian said:
Natoma said:
p.s.: I love how you try to bring pedophilia into a discussion of gay rights. Typical.
Why not? They use many of the same arguments that homosexuals use. I really was not trying to bring that into the argument but rather use it as a similar case where people are discrimanated against for their sexuality and their is no problem with it. BTW what percent of pedophiles are homosexaully inclined?
First of all, pedophiles (heterosexual pedophiles, homosexual pedophiles, male and female alike) are sexually interacting with beings that are, in general, too young to understand the psychological, emotional, and physical ramifications of their actions. *That* is what I do not agree with. That is what I think is not healthy.
Here are the different forms of pedophilia:
Fixated (or exclusive type) pedophilia. The fixated pedophiles consider themselves to be trapped in childhood. They usually have minimum relations with adult peers, and relate better with children. They are identified mainly as men and their primary interest is in boys, with whom they develop boy to boy relationships. They typically plan their activities to promote access to young boys through church, neighborhood, or sporting activities.
Regressed (or nonexclusive type) pedophilia. On the other hand, the regressed pedophile is not ordinarily attracted to children. Those with regressed pedophilia are typically heterosexual married males and most likely to sexually molest 8 or 9 year old female children. Some pedophiles complain of anxiety or tension related to employment or marital relationship as precursors to pedophilic impulses, as well as alcohol or drug usage. They view the child as an adult substitute, and relate to the child in an adult to adult manner. The first sexual encounter is usually sudden and unplanned.
Cross-sex pedophilia. Male pedophiles who sexually molest young girls are typically diagnosed with regressed pedophilia. They commonly befriend the young girl and gradually engage in sexually activities, enticing, rather than forcing, the child. The activities frequently include fondling the child, encouraging the child to fondle the male, and possibly oral stimulation, but rarely sexual intercourse.
Same-sex pedophilia. While most pedophiles who engage in or fantasize about same-sex children do not participate in heterosexual adult sexual relations, they also deny being homosexual. Instead, the pedophiles are more sexually aroused by male and female children than by either gender of adults. The average age of molestation among boys is between 10 and 12. Sexual activities typically involve fondling and adult masturbation and/ or oral stimulation of the boy, and anal sex with the adult male taking the active role.
Female pedophilia. Although the vast majority of pedophilia is among males, female pedophilia does exist. However, female pedophilia is not commonly reported, possibly because the female's affection shown toward a child is seen as maternal, as opposed to sexual in the males. Additionally, male children do not view sexual relations with adult women negatively, and therefore may not report the incident. However, it is reportedly fairly common for young males (12 years old or younger) to engage in sexual activities (usually sexual intercourse) with adult women, usually in their twenties, who are usually known by the boys and typically friends of parents, neighbors or baby-sitters.
And here is a study performed by the Journal of Pediatrics, published in July 1994 with regard to sexually abused children.
2% of the boys in the study were molested by gay males.
98% of the boys in the study were molested by heterosexuals. Of that number, 75% were molested by heterosexual males KNOWN TO THE VICTIMS in an incestuous scenario.
0.05% of the girls in the study were molested by a lesbian.
99.5% of the girls in the study were molested by heterosexuals. Of that number, 80% were molested by heterosexual males KNOWN TO THE VICTIMS in an incestuous scenario.
