UBIsoft in potential financial trouble

techuse said:
I don’t think there was any deliberate malice towards Asian people or culture. This is just extreme ignorance and stupidity IMO.
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I think you should look a lot closer what has been happening the last 10+ years. This was a 100M++ project. It takes a *lot* of stupidity. Do you think Kathleen Kennedy destroyed the Star Wars franchise because she and Disney management have been extremely ignorant too?:)
 
Nisaaru said:
I think you should look a lot closer what has been happening the last 10+ years. This was a 100M++ project. It takes a *lot* of stupidity. Do you think Kathleen Kennedy destroyed the Star Wars franchise because she and Disney management have been extremely ignorant too?:)
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I think the developers believe they are doing something brave and courageous and view themselves as morally superior for the decisions they believe are making the world a better place. I don’t think it comes from a place of malice at all.
 
techuse said:
I don’t think there was any deliberate malice towards Asian people or culture. This is just extreme ignorance and stupidity IMO.
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The games industry literally has entire consultancy firms dedicated to making sure developers don’t accidentally do anything offensive in their games. There is a 0% chance nobody brought up the optics of this release are horrible.
 
Cappuccino said:
The games industry literally has entire consultancy firms dedicated to making sure developers don’t accidentally do anything offensive in their games. There is a 0% chance nobody brought up the optics of this release are horrible.
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From their point of view, anyone who finds this to be bad decision making is part of the societal problem they are fighting against. It isn’t coming from any malice towards Asian culture.
 
Cappuccino said:
The games industry literally has entire consultancy firms dedicated to making sure developers don’t accidentally do anything offensive in their games. There is a 0% chance nobody brought up the optics of this release are horrible.
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Then explain it. If your argument is sound, there'll be a clear train of logic from who made the decisions and why they made them and how they hoped to benefit. Failing that, it's certainly possible to identify a catalogue of faults for each specific point you've raised so far, so just pointing to a string of evidential exhibits won't win the argument.

Like many conspiracy theories that look at patterns in evidence, without a motive you just have apophenia.
 
What is the activists' ideology that they deliberately include:

...entering and destroying at least two Japanese temples despite Japanese law making this content inclusion illegal since they didn't obtain permission from those temples to include them, much less destroy them, in the game first,

One Armed Tori. Don't know what it is, look it up. REALLY bad item to use to promote your game about a black man killing Japanese people.

Releasing their game about a black man killing Japanese people on the 30th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in Japans history.
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The argument here is that Ubi have deliberately set out to offend the Japanese.

If the argument is that the board are chasing a social ideology of representation, that wouldn't include Cappucino's issues about a black man killing Japanese or the girl being called Sumo for the purposes of attacking the Japanese. That'd just mean they picked a protagonist ethnicity which happened to have connotations they were naive too and a female name they didn't look up (not the first time someone's named a product in something offensive in another language/culture) - an argument of incompetence, not a cultural attack.

If Cappucino's argument has merit, they'll be able to explain why Ubi set out to thrash Japanese culture as opposed to 'thrashed it' accidentally in their pursuit of a different objective.
 
It's more like collateral damage. They deliberately set out in pursuit of their ideological agenda, consequences be damned.

In their mind, they were the gangster (wokester) shooting at what they believed was another gangster (racist misogynist) and weren't concerned that little Jimmy (average Japanese person) got caught in the crossfire.
 
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Completelu Average said:
Releasing their game about a black man killing Japanese people on the 30th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in Japans history.
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Japanese people have made a lot of media where a lot of Japanese people have been killed by Japanese, other people and different kind of creatures and natural disasters. They are most probably used to it by now.
 
Johnny Awesome said:
It's more like collateral damage. They deliberately set out in pursuit of their ideological agenda, consequences be damned.

In their mind, they were the gangster (wokester) shooting at what they believed was another gangster (racist misogynist) and weren't concerned that little Jimmy (average Japanese person) got caught in the crossfire.
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That's a different argument to Completlu Averages's. Completlu Averages is saying they deliberately set out to attack Japanese culture and made conscious decisions to offend such as picking a female name to insult, citing too many problems with the game for any offence to be coincidental. That argument can't fly without a motive to explain why they set out with the intention to offend.

The counter to that is what you and others like tuna are suggesting, that Ubi were chasing an ideology (possibly in the belief it'd benefit coverage and sales) and they just happened to make a mess of their cultural references, and that counter is definitely plausible - far moreso than that Ubi set out to attack the Japanese without any obvious motive why as if the actions of a psycho individual rather than a huge corporation beholden to shareholders.

Is there evidence Yves Guillemot is Japanaphobic and is willing to sacrifice financial performance of his keystone product at a time when Ubi really needs the money to attack them?

Edit: corrected name
 
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Completelu Average said:
They include entering and destroying at least two Japanese temples despite Japanese law making this content inclusion illegal since they didn't obtain permission from those temples to include them, much less destroy them, in the game first,
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So the game is banned or modified for Japan?
 
Completelu Average said:
Let's start with the whole concept of a black man wearing a samurai outfit running through the streets of ancient Japan killing Japanese people while a hip-hop inspired soundtrack plays.

In Japan, Japanese culture and tradition say women are very much banned from Sumo. Women are considered evil and banned from participating in Sumo to the point where once a sumo wrestler was injured in the ring and two female paramedics went in the ring to give him medical treatment. After the wrestler was removed the ring had to be cleared and repurified with salt to remove all traces of evil womanhood before the sumo matches could continue. So naturally Ubisoft makes a big fat (suspiciously non-binary looking) female character and names her Sumo.
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According to Wikipedia there is quite a history of women doing Sumo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_sumo
 
techuse said:
From their point of view, anyone who finds this to be bad decision making is part of the societal problem they are fighting against. It isn’t coming from any malice towards Asian culture.
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Pretty much this. Ubisoft must be fully aware that certain choices they’ve made will offend a certain segment of society. They’ve simply decided they don’t want any money from those people and that’s a perfectly valid business decision if it aligns with company culture and values.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Then explain it. If your argument is sound, there'll be a clear train of logic from who made the decisions and why they made them and how they hoped to benefit. Failing that, it's certainly possible to identify a catalogue of faults for each specific point you've raised so far, so just pointing to a string of evidential exhibits won't win the argument.
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Explain what? I explained my point pretty clearly, are you confusing me with someone else?
Shifty Geezer said:
Cappucino is saying they deliberately set out to attack Japanese culture and made conscious decisions to offend such as picking a female name to insult, citing too many problems with the game for any offence to be coincidental.
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I literally never said this lol.
Shifty Geezer said:
that wouldn't include Cappucino's issues about a black man killing Japanese or the girl being called Sumo for the purposes of attacking the Japanese.
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???
 
Its a game not historic document, artists take creative liberties with everything, that is a big part of art.
What goes on in this game seems no worse than other what games have done/do to other ethnic groups.
Why is it so much worse in this game, than for instance some Call of Duty games or GTA and so forth?

As for the "woke" stuff, if you do not like it do not buy it? I mean can not the people making it make what they want?
I just do not understand why people gets their panties in bunch over seeing people of colour or women doing stuff :D
 
Cappuccino said:
I literally never said this lol.

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Sorry, I misattributed. Should have said, "Completelu Average" and I have updated my post to the correct poster. Although you followed on agreeing with the sentiment by saying they have departments to check for offence so it can't be accidental which is why I took that to be the OP (Completelu Average) continuing the debate.
 
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techuse said:
Star Wars being almost an 8 is utter madness.
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do you think it deserved more than that, or less? I don't have the game, not into Star Wars tbh, though I played some very good games based on that universe.

My favourite is Star Wars Battlefront II, one of the best looking games I've played to date, hardly matched these days imo
 
Cyan said:
do you think it deserved more than that, or less? I don't have the game, not into Star Wars tbh, though I played some very good games based on that universe.

My favourite is Star Wars Battlefront II, one of the best looking games I've played to date, hardly matched these days imo
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This is referring to Star Wars Outlaws. It deserves a 4 IMO.
 
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