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Wasn't there mentions long ago by The Inq and OCW that early boards were indeed that long, but ATi was revising the package with a shorter PCB for release? If this indeed is a pre-production board, in which in this case I don't doubt The Inq, it very well could be shorter when it hits retail. Think of this kind of like 7900GX2, in which few were made but showed the product working and was the precursor to the 7950GX2 that actually sorted the problem out.
Of course, like others mentioned, 8800gtx has a 10.5inch PCB, 11inch w/ the bracket. 12inch isn't completely impossible for a retail product, but I sure as hell hope that's not the way things are going. Sure, it'd fit in my Stacker, and i'm waiting for a mid-range card anyway which undoubtabley will be shorter, but every inch of unacceptability you give, it becomes the new standard.
Of course, like others mentioned, 8800gtx has a 10.5inch PCB, 11inch w/ the bracket. 12inch isn't completely impossible for a retail product, but I sure as hell hope that's not the way things are going. Sure, it'd fit in my Stacker, and i'm waiting for a mid-range card anyway which undoubtabley will be shorter, but every inch of unacceptability you give, it becomes the new standard.
flippin_waffles
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Isn't that alot of bandwidth?
Yes, but 115-179 geebips (1800mhz GDDR3 - 2800mhz GDDR4) has been expected now for going on forever and a day.
One of those reasons I hope it ships with at least 1.2ghz GDDR4 with the 64 Vec4 shaders...AMD/ATi could market it as essentially 2x the shaders/bandwidth of G80 (even if that isn't the whole truth.)
Oh wait, I forgot...They don't have a marketing dept. Crap.
P.S. What is that ungodly creature of a prehistoric gfx card?
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Can you sense the reactions of the average Joe that sees times 2x marketed figures but only a fraction of added total performance?
The usual crowd cares about more about performance in the end than anything else; way too much for my taste in fact but that's another totally different chapter.
The usual crowd cares about more about performance in the end than anything else; way too much for my taste in fact but that's another totally different chapter.
I find it much more interesting to notice that ATI/AMD are still showing of those 12" boards, which we heard about months ago. If they do not have working protoypes of the shorter PCB today, then it either will not come to the market shortly or the whole card is still a helathy amount of time away from hitting the stores. March sounds increasingly likely.
16MB x 32 = 512MB. Check.
512 pins x 1.1GHz x2 / 8 = 140.8. Check
What specs doesn't Theo understand to get to 1 GB? (And what are ring stops doing in this picture anyway?)
I guess I don't understand your explanation about why Theo doesn't understand it.
Who mentioned Theo? Although, "sixteen Samsung 32MB memory chips" does equal 512MB.
Assume = 1 stop/channel/(GDDR4 module)
I guess I don't understand your explanation about why Theo doesn't understand it.
Edit: Assuming Samsung GDDR4 512Mbit chips. These are arranged as 16Mbit x 32bit = 64MBytes. If as reported, there are 16 chips per board, then we have 16 x 32bit = 512bit external bus & 16 x 64MBytes = 1GByte RAM total. I suspect that Theo saw the 16Mx32 & applied the Inq filter. Others then drew their own conclusions...
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Does it really matter? According to Jon Peddie the enthusiast (+$300) market only takes up 4% of total sales. Isn't all that matters the fact of having the fastest cards out there? Because having the fastest card will sell you cards in the mainstream and lower end segments more easily. I'm pretty sure the cards below $300 have a shorter PCB and it's those $200-$300 cards that are sold the most (about 75%). Of those 4% in the enthusiast market there are plenty of people who do have room for a long card (which btw I really doubt will be so long in the final product). It didn't stop some people of buying a space eating GF7950GX2 combo either.
So even if it's really 12" than they 1) have the fastest card out there, 2) will sell more in the mainstream and lower end because of 1.
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The average joe buys a X1300 at Best Buy because it has 512MB onboard. And so it must be really good.
Personally I look at it like big round numbers, like 512 bit and 1GB, can only help ATI in the marketing wars. Probably in a decently significant way. If it's 10% faster but had a 384 bit/768 config, that's somehow less impressive than the purity of 10% faster +512/1024 config. The guy who wants the very best will be more drawn to the latter, not to mention implications of better future proofing.
zgemboandislic
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Rangers is right. The amount of memory is THE factor when it comes to Average Joe. I work in a certain country where less than 0.5% of PC owners know what they are buying. They just go for the big numbers, and 512MB and 1GB sure sound great. They think that's where the performance lies. (And who could blame them with all the numbering, Xs Ts)
Oh, yeah...
Much ado about nothin'...
Uh huh. Remind me again how many of those Best Buy and New Egg sold?
GTX is 10.6" with my ruler. Someone once pointed out to me that some spec allowed for up to 12" boards. The problem is, modern cases generally do not. I would guess in my informal survey that a majority (surely not all, however) of current enthusiast chassis would take GTX with varying degrees of sweatin' and swearin'. And that a majority (maybe not all, however) of current enthusiast chassis would NOT take a 12" board. I'll guarantee mine won't.
I measure 14 inches from bracket to my disc drives, still room even with the power/sata/ide connectors, so that's not entirely true. Also, where the gfx card is in many larger/server chassis I imagine there are no drives/cages installed there anyway (unless you're running more than 4-8 drives). Granted, most people have more reasonable size cases in which I imagine you're right.
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