The Intel Execution in [2025]

Yesterday was a rough night for Intel, the NY Times, Reuters and Bloomberg reported that Intel wants TSMC to manage it's foundry business through a stake partnership. This could be the reason why Intel let go of Pat, this also has negative implications about the viability of 18A process, it looks like we are locked in a TSMC monopoly for a long time.

TSMC is in early talks to manage Inte's U.S. semiconductor factories following a request from President Trump’s team. The potential deal would see TSMC take a controlling stake in the factories. The plan may also involve American chip designers taking equity stakes, ensuring the venture isn't solely foreign-owned.
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DavidGraham said:
Yesterday was a rough night for Intel, the NY Times, Reuters and Bloomberg reported that Intel wants TSMC to manage it's foundry business through a stake partnership. This could be the reason why Intel let go of Pat, this also has negative implications about the viability of 18A process, it looks like we are locked in a TSMC monopoly for a long time.



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Wow, that is unexpected and a questionable decision...
 
DavidGraham said:
this also has negative implications about the viability of 18A process, it looks like we are locked in a TSMC monopoly for a long time.
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I think this was always the much safer bet to make; the visible optimism of recent years in Intel's Foundry's staff doesn't translate to a competitive market position. Not in this industry.
 
DavidGraham said:
Yesterday was a rough night for Intel, the NY Times, Reuters and Bloomberg reported that Intel wants TSMC to manage it's foundry business through a stake partnership. This could be the reason why Intel let go of Pat, this also has negative implications about the viability of 18A process, it looks like we are locked in a TSMC monopoly for a long time.



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Would TSMC go for such joint venture when Intel needs to own 50.01% minimum of it? (Or if made public TSMC couldn't get over 35%?)
 
What is "unlock shareholder value"? I instinctively recoil from language like this. I worked for Sears in ~2010 and used to hear bullshit like this. Everyone knew what was going on but pretended otherwise.
 
Yeah, it's exactly what it sounds like. Turn a profit for those people who have no long term investment or interest in the company, because capitalism.

Publically traded companies are rife with this shit, and it drives me nuts. Why invest in the long-term sustainability of a business when you can make really short-sided ill-advised decisions which only ever serve to make the very next quarter's earnings release look better on paper? Why do we care about literally anything else other than those people who bought some of our shares to get that extra 1/8th of a percent return? We OWE them because... something something invisible hand of the market or some shit.

This gripe isn't limited to Intel of course, yet it seems like just another example of leadership making a decision which will certainly make them another few hundred million dollars right as they cash out and leave the corpse (and all the employees) to rot.
 
I believe the reports are centering around splitting parts of the company, specifically with making the design and foundry side separate. Intel's vertical model isn't going to be viable without essentially being at least a near monopoly and causing anticompetitive issues for the industry as whole.
 
arandomguy said:
I believe the reports are centering around splitting parts of the company, specifically with making the design and foundry side separate. Intel's vertical model isn't going to be viable without essentially being at least a near monopoly and causing anticompetitive issues for the industry as whole.
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You don’t think they could operate like Samsung foundry with internal and external clients if their manufacturing tech was competitive?
 
arandomguy said:
I believe the reports are centering around splitting parts of the company, specifically with making the design and foundry side separate. Intel's vertical model isn't going to be viable without essentially being at least a near monopoly and causing anticompetitive issues for the industry as whole.
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And again I'll remind that Intel needs to own 50.01% of privately held Intel Foundry daughter company (which is already happening) and if it's taken public, no outside investor can hold over 35 %.
Those were dictated by US Government last year when Intel got their CHIPS money
 
trinibwoy said:
You don’t think they could operate like Samsung foundry with internal and external clients if their manufacturing tech was competitive?
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I think they can't do that with existing process tech, Intel uses custom and proprietary libraries (PDKs, short for Process Design Kit) that aren't compatible with industry standards EDAs (Electronic Design Automation). All Intel old processes (14/10/7nm) are incompatible, only the new ones (3/18A) are.

Ian Cutress talked about this several times.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829691162564968797

On another note, Raja Koduri wrote an extensive blog post criticizing the current Intel management, their cancel culture and the Intel "snakes", he proposes a company wide painful transformation to get rid of the bureaucrats, stop needless acquisitions, cease cancelling projects, and "increase the coder-to-coordinator ratio by 10x". He stresses that the company needs a big target to rally every corner of the company around, like beating the next NVIDIA chip by 2027.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892222720710152315
 
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DavidGraham said:
I think they can't do that with existing process tech, Intel uses custom and proprietary libraries (PDKs, short for Process Design Kit) that aren't compatible with industry standards EDAs (Electronic Design Automation). All Intel old processes (14/10/7nm) are incompatible, only the new ones (3/18A) are.

Ian Cutress talked about this several times.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829691162564968797

On another note, Raja Koduri wrote an extensive blog post criticizing the current Intel management, their cancel culture and the Intel "snakes", he proposes a company wide painful transformation to get rid of the bureaucrats, stop needless acquisitions, cease cancelling projects, and "increase the coder-to-coordinator ration by 10x". He stresses that the company needs a big target to rally every corner of the company around, like beating the next NVIDIA chip by 2027.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892222720710152315
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I think Raja got a point here. Running a foundry is very challenging for Intel because of its higher cost. Even TSMC has a hard time pushing down cost of its US fab.
The magic recipe of Intel's past success was not that its processes were cheap. It's because they were the best and thus able to support (arguably) the best CPU in the world, so everyone buys Intel CPU and thus there's a huge demand on its fabs. People were willing to pay a premium for the CPU so the cost of their fabs hardly mattered.

The problem today is that ether the market of CPU is no longer that huge and also AMD is nibbling away Intel's market share, thus Intel now have trouble filling up its fabs. This is a downward spiral because once you don't have enough money to invest into new process you'll soon be left behind. Intel had IMHO two chances but missed both, the first one mobile CPU market, and the second one AI accelerators.

There's still a slim chance that Intel could catch up with (or even surpass) TSMC but cost is still a big issue. If your process is just slightly better, people are not going to pay a huge premium for it (even with the help of tariffs). It's just easier if Intel have good products and fill up their fabs with their own products.
 
pcchen said:
I think Raja got a point here. Running a foundry is very challenging for Intel because of its higher cost. Even TSMC has a hard time pushing down cost of its US fab.
The magic recipe of Intel's past success was not that its processes were cheap. It's because they were the best and thus able to support (arguably) the best CPU in the world, so everyone buys Intel CPU and thus there's a huge demand on its fabs. People were willing to pay a premium for the CPU so the cost of their fabs hardly mattered.

The problem today is that ether the market of CPU is no longer that huge and also AMD is nibbling away Intel's market share, thus Intel now have trouble filling up its fabs. This is a downward spiral because once you don't have enough money to invest into new process you'll soon be left behind. Intel had IMHO two chances but missed both, the first one mobile CPU market, and the second one AI accelerators.

There's still a slim chance that Intel could catch up with (or even surpass) TSMC but cost is still a big issue. If your process is just slightly better, people are not going to pay a huge premium for it (even with the help of tariffs). It's just easier if Intel have good products and fill up their fabs with their own products.
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If Intel were putting out datacenter products that were competitive with NVIDIA the cost wouldn't be such a huge issue. Hell if Intel fabbed for NVIDIA cost wouldn't be a huge issue (for DC products).
 
trinibwoy said:
You don’t think they could operate like Samsung foundry with internal and external clients if their manufacturing tech was competitive?
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There's a problem with this from 2 angles.

I don't feel that they could operate like Samsung as things stand. Samsung's chip design business in terms of relevance for the overall company is nowhere near that of Intel's. The level of integration as things stand at least from the outside seems several levels of scope apart. Samsung would likely be perfectly happy if say they won external contracts even if they directly compete with their chip design such as from Qualcomm, give them priority, and then just have their consumer devices use Qualcomm with it's Exynos SoCs on the backburner. I believe the above situation even has been reported on in the past in terms of how Samsung tries to court Qualcomm (including factoring that into SoC inclusion on their devices). I'm not sure how such a scenario would play out for Intel and just seems like it would be messy.

There's also the other side in that I'm not sure if operating like Samsung would ultimately be what all the parties are referring to, which I think is that they want is Intel's foundry to be challenging TSMC for leadership.

It's worth noting also that logic is only an aspect of Samsung's foundry business, HBM issues aside they are the market share leader for both DRAM and NAND.
 
orangpelupa said:
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Intel had a tough 2024. Wishing Intel a wonderful and productive 2025 and a path forward. A lot has been written about Intel lately.

Largely doom and gloom. Many in the industry, folks at intel and friends and family circles have reached out. Some don't see any hope of turn around, others wondering if this is the low point and if they should invest now.

"Intel is so far behind on AI and have no strategy", "they are still many years behind TSMC on process technology" and the list goes from the Intel bears, who seem the majority now. Bulls have "hope" and the bears counter with "hope is not a plan".

I am in the bulls camp, and rest of the article outlines my perspective and opinion, which is the basis of my hope. My central thesis is that Intel needs to set itself an audacious product target that inspires their whole engineering to rally behind.

To achieve these targets the entire technology stack that includes transistor physics, advanced packaging, silicon design and software architecture need to take shared risks.

There is chatter about splitting process technology and product engineering into separate companies- this could be counter productive.

Creating an arm's length foundry relationship now risks crippling the only company theorectically capable of innovating across the entire stack – from fundamental physics (atoms) to software (python).

Intel Treasures and Snakes​



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Intel snakes and treasures

Intel Treasures​

Intel still has a ton of IP and technology. These are gems that many in the eco-system envy.

Many innovations have been sitting on shelf. These innovations span across process technology, advanced packaging, optics, advanced memories, thermals, power delivery, CPU, GPU, and much more.

Some of these innovations could give intel products an order of magnitude improvements in Performance, Performance/$ and Performance/Watt, the metrics that determine the ultimate leadership in all computing domains - across data centers, edge and personal devices.

Intel Snakes​

The tragedy of Intel's treasures lies in their delayed or deferred deployment. For over five years, the company's product roadmap – the vital pipeline for bringing these innovations to market – has been clogged by manufacturing challenges. While the troubles began with 14nm, the 10nm node became an unprecedented bottleneck that cost Intel half a decade of leadership. However, manufacturing delays tell only part of the story. Deeper issues, rooted in culture and leadership, prevented Intel from making pragmatic decisions – such as timely adoption of external manufacturing capabilities like TSMC when internal solutions faltered.

At its core, Intel's DNA is built on performance leadership – the relentless pursuit of benchmark-breaking excellence. Every aspect of its business model, from marketing to sales, is calibrated for being the undisputed leader in its chosen segments. NVIDIA shares this performance-first DNA, evident in their relentless pursuit of benchmark supremacy at any cost. "Performance DNA" companies also build products ahead of customers needs. They are always ahead of the curve. Neither company thrives as a "value or a services player" – they're not built to compete primarily value metrics like performance/$ or delivering services per customer requests. While value/service-oriented companies can be tremendously successful, transforming a performance-focused company into a value player requires major cultural surgery.

The reverse transformation is far more natural. Running foundry service will be a challenging transition for Intel. Licensing partnerships with companies that are already in the foundry services business could be a more pragmatic approach.

The "spreadsheet & powerpoint snakes" – bureaucratic processes that dominate corporate decision-making – often fail to grasp the true cost of surrendering performance leadership. They optimize for minimizing quarterly losses while missing the bigger picture.

These processes multiply and coil around engineers, constraining their ability to execute on the product roadmap with the boldness it requires. A climate of fear surrounds any attempt at skunkworks initiatives outside established processes – one misstep, and the bureaucratic snakes strike. This environment has bred a pervasive "learned helplessness" throughout the engineering ranks, stifling the very innovation culture that built Intel's empire.

Learned helplessness is a set of behaviors where we give up on escaping a painful situation, because our brain has gradually been taught to assume powerlessness in that situation.

Transformation​

Having witnessed companies rise from the ashes before, I know transformations are possible, even from the depths of despair. While financial engineering provides essential sustenance for development, it alone cannot ignite the spark that drives engineers to build something truly revolutionary.

In the cutting-edge world of technology, engineers need more than just resources – they need an inspiring, almost audacious target to pursue. The ideal target should be simultaneously intimidating and inspiring: intimidating because it pushes the boundaries of what's possible, inspiring because it represents a leap forward for computing. Leadership's role isn't just to set these targets – it's to provide the tools, show the path forward, and get their hands dirty alongside the team in the trenches.

The pursuit of a formidable challenge – a "big bad monster" – has universal appeal, regardless of experience level. In today's AI computing landscape, what could serve as that inspiring yet daunting target? Let's begin with the hardware challenge

The Big Bad Monster NVL72​

Consider NVIDIA's NVL72, the current apex predator in AI computing:
  • 360 PFLOPS of raw FP8 compute (no sparsity)
  • 576 TB/Sec of HBM Bandwidth at 18.8 TB Capacity
  • 130 TB/Sec of GPU-GPU Bandwidth through NVLink
  • ~ $3M Price
While NVIDIA's individual GPUs (B100/B200) are impressive in their own right, it's the NVL72's density and scale that truly intimidates. This isn't just about raw GPU power – it's a masterclass in system architecture, showcasing state-of-the-art scale-up and scale-out bandwidth capabilities that set new industry standards. This breakthrough performance comes with corresponding costs: a premium price tag and substantial power consumption (~120-132 KW).

Yet NVIDIA commands this premium because the NVL72 stands alone in delivering this combination of generality and performance.
Lets capture the pico-joules-flop (Pj/Flop) of the NVL72 system as that will be handy later.
NVL72PjFlop=(132,000∗1012)/(360∗1015)≈0.4
 

Inspiring 2027 Target​

Here's what I propose as Intel's moonshot system targets:
  • 1 ExaFlop of raw FP8/INT8 compute performance
  • 5 PB/Sec of "HBM" bandwidth at 138 TB Capacity
  • 2.5 PB/Sec of GPU-GPU bandwidth
  • All while maintaining a 132 KW power envelope
  • At $3M price
Let's grasp the audacity of these targets:
  • 3X leap in compute performance
  • 10X revolution in memory bandwidth and capacity
  • 20X breakthrough in interconnect bandwidth.
  • All while maintaining the same power envelope and cost
Intel possesses all the technological ingredients to achieve these spectacular specifications. With complete organizational alignment and focus, they can get there. And we should expect NVIDIA to set their sights on similar – or even more ambitious – parameters. You need to beyond your best to compete against Nvidia and you also need to show up again and again in 2028, 2029..
It's also important to mention that the specs above will translate to very compelling systems at 1 Petaflop (132W) and 100 Teraflop(13W) ranges as well, giving Intel an excellent leadership stack from mobile, mini-PC, Desktop to Data Centers. Intel will have the ability to offer single stack from device to DC to deploy excellent open models like Deep Seek efficiently to consumers and enterprises.

A single system that can productively host the whole 670B parameter DeepSeek model under $10K is very much in Intel's realm.
There's a "deepseek" moment in cost within the next 3-5 year horizon. What gives me this optimism? One should go down to first principles and look at the following factors -
  • How many logic and memory wafers do we need for the specs above
  • The price of these wafers
  • Pflops-per-mm2
  • Gbytes-per-mm2
  • Wafer yields
  • Assembly and rest-of-system overheads
  • Margin
with ~0.01 Pflop/mm2 and ~0.03 GB/mm2 for memory, you can construct a simple first principle cost range for these products. You will be amazed to see that there is 5-10x opportunity on dollars. Exploiting this opportunity is impractical if you don't own most of the components and more importantly the final assembly (3D, 2.5D, 2D...)
( I have simple GPUFirstPrincipleCost web app in the works where you can feed your input and assumptions and the app calculates the cost. Will share when done)

Let us now look at Pj/Flop derived from the ambitious targets above
Intel2027PjFlop=(132,000∗1012)/(1000∗1015)≈0.1
Achieving this target requires a 4X reduction in Pj/Flop – a daunting challenge in the post-Moore's law era. However, Intel's Lunar Lake silicon already demonstrates promising efficiency, delivering ~100 INT8 TOPS (GPU+NPU) at ~20W, or ~0.2 Pj/op. This baseline proves Intel possesses IP capable of competitive efficiency.

4 key connected challenges to overcome
1. Find another 2X efficiency to get to 0.1 Pj/Flop
2. While scaling compute 10,000X to get to Exaflop (including the cost for interconnect)
3. While delivering 10X near memory bandwidth
4. while staying compatible with the existing Python/C/C++ GPU software (ie; no esoteric diversions like quantum, neuromorphic , logarthmic and other ideas being pursued by a few startups )
3 key contributors for on-chip power (In Femto (F) joules )
  • Math ops: ~8 Fj/bit
  • Memory: ~50 Fj/bit
  • Communication: ~100 Fj/bit/mm
All state of the art designs will be in the same ball park on the math ops power. They will be close to whatever the leading process node of that time (TSMC N2, Intel 14A etc) entitles them to. Most of the interesting differentiation for Intel needs to come from memory and communication aspects.

At IEDM recently nVidia published the below picture.

that can usher in the era of near memory computing. Some hints linked below
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-patent-reveals-meteor-lake-adamantine-l4-cache

Whether it's their homegrown technology or from a "tight" partnership with DRAM industry, there are 10X bandwidth increase opportunities in the 3-4 year horizon.

Whoever takes the first risks and executes can be far ahead of the rest. Interestingly the technologies that help deliver 10X memory bandwidth also help with the communication bandwidth target of 20X. The key is to free up more of the chip perimeter for chip-to-chip communication.

Intel also has excellent Silicon Photonics technology, which won't amount to anything if it isn't integrated into products to start the learning loop. All technologies and IP are perishable goods with expiry date. Consume them before it's too late.

Let's talk about Intel's scalability and software now. Recently I got access to Intel PVC 8-GPU system on their Tiber cloud. I also add access 8-GPU setups from AMD and Nvidia. All three systems are floating point beasts. Here are there FP16/BF16 specifications

  • Nvidia 8xH100 - 8 PF
  • AMD 8xMI300 - 10.4 PF
  • Intel 8xPVC. - 6.7 PF
I wrote a custom benchmark tool (called torchure
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) to understand the performance of these systems across various sizes and shapes of matrices. The motivation for this came from observing the traces of various AI models.

I noticed that majority of the performance is dominated by sequence of matrix multiplies, all of them generally large matrices (4K and above). I also wanted to exercise these system with PyTorch - standard PyTorch, no fancy libraries or middleware. My thesis is that the quality, coverage and performance of standard PyTorch is a good benchmark for AI software developer productivity on different GPUs.
Software observations.

The install and getting things to "work" first time was more steps with both AMD and Intel. It involved interactions with engineers at both companies before I got going. Nvidia was straightforward.

But I have to acknowledge that both AMD and Intel made a ton of progress in making Pytorch easy to use, compared to where we were 2 years ago. Intel's driver install and Pytorch setup was a bit less friction than AMD.

AMD supports torch.cuda device directly and with intel you need to map to torch.xpu device. So, there is a bit of code adjustments I needed to make for Intel, but was not too painful. Intel "sunset" PVC GPU last year and from what I have heard the AI software team was busy with Gaudi for past few years. My expectations of compatibility and performance on Intel were very low.

I was pleasantly surprised that I was to run my tests to completion - not only 1 GPU, but also all the way up to 8 GPUs. Below are the results for 8X GPUs.


Across the sweep of different matrix shapes and sizes
  • Nvidia 8xH100 - 5.3 PF (67% of peak)
  • AMD 8xMI300 - 3.1 PF (30% of peak)
  • Intel 8xPVC - 2.7 PF (40% of peak)

Some observations
  • Easy to see why Nvidia is still the darling of everyone. This is H100. Blackwell will move the bar up even more
  • From the semi-analysis article, understand AMD has new drivers coming that seem to improve GEMM numbers substantially. which is good news for AMD. This article is not about AMD or NVIDIA.
  • The surprise here is the abandoned PVC that is even this close to the top GPUs . PVC is a generation behind MI300X in terms of process technology. Majority of PVC silicon is on Intel 10nm, which is ~1.5 nodes behind TSMC N4. The GPU-to-GPU bandwidth through XeLink seems to be performing better than AMD xGMI solution.
  • There are definitely software optimizations left on the table. They should be able to get to 60% of peak. You can see the impact of software overhead on Intel in the case of smaller matrix dimensions.
  • Intel cancelled the follow-on to PVC called Rialto Bridge in Mar' 2023 (
    https://www.crn.com/news/components...ter-gpu-road-map-delays-falcon-shores-to-2025
    )

  • This chip was ready for tape-out in Q4'22 and would have been volume production in 2024 and was speced to deliver more than H100.
  • AMD began there iteration loop with advanced packaging and HBM with Fiji in 2015, followed it with Vega in 2017. MI25, MI50, MI100, MI200, MI250 followed and eventually MI300. MI300 is AMD's first GPU to cross $1B in revenue. You only learn by shipping.
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Getting back to the main thread. The data points above show that Intel has foundations to be able to compete with the best. They need to be actively playing the game and not thrash the roadmap. And stop snatching defeats from jaws of victory.

None of the this is going to be easy. All layers of Intel have to go through painful transformations. Just the executive leadership musical chairs are insufficient.

"Let chaos reign and then rein in chaos."​

This is a famous quote by Andy Grove ( probably the last CEO of Intel that understood every layer of the company's stack very intimately. I often wondered what Andy would do now..)

Let's dissect this a bit. Why would you let any chaos reign? Isn't all chaos bad? the answer is no. There is good chaos and bad chaos. Good chaos forces you to invent and change. Major tech and industry transitions are good chaos. Internet, WiFI, Cloud, Smartphone, AI are some examples of transitions than can lead to good chaos. Intel benefitted from some of these transitions when it was able to "rein in". Good chaos generally comes in from external events. Bad chaos comes from internal issues. I like to call bad chaos "organizational entropy". This is the higher order bit that decays the efficiency of companies.
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https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8655/f1d23285639d5833ff4fa0ea4632856011cf.pdf
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When entropy crosses a certain threshold, the leadership loses control of the company. No amount of executive thrash can fix this situation, until you reduce this entropy.


My humble suggestions for whoever takes the leadership mantle at intel

  1. Increase the coder-to-coordinator ration by 10x. This is likely the most painful thing to do, as it could result in massive reduction in head count first and some rehiring. Give re-learning opportunity to folks stuck in co-ordination tasks to get back to coding or exit the company. AI tools are a great enablers for seniors to get back into hands on work.
  2. Organize the company around product leadership architecture. Intel can build the whole stack of products from 10W to 150KW with <6 modular building blocks (/chiplets) that are shared across the whole stack. Splitting the company around go-to-market boundaries is preventing them to leverage their leadership IP up and down the stack (eg:- Lunarlake SOC energy efficiency on Xeon will be awesome, but Xeon energy efficiency is far from leadership today). With leverage of leadership IP across the whole stack Intel can field top performing products across client, edge and data centers and get a healthy share of >$500B TAM accessible to them.
  3. Cancel the cancel culture. The legacy of Intel is built on relentless iteration. Iteration cycles to 90% yields of new process technologies every 18 months. Tick-tock model of execution. Stop the "cancel culture". You achieve nothing.
  4. Bet on generality and focus in performance fundamentals. Ops/clk, Bytes/Clock, Pj/Op, Pj/Bit etc. The boundaries are not CPU, GPU and AI Accelerators. The workloads are an evolving mix of scalar, vector and matrix computations demanding increasing bandwidth and memory capacity. You have the unique ability to deliver these elements in ratios that can delight your customers and destroy your competitors.
  5. Make a ton of BattleMage and PVC GPUs available to open source developers worldwide friction free. Selling a ton of Battlemage GPUs is a good step to achieve this. Don't worry about the margins on them. This is the most efficient way to get into hearts and minds of AI developers, while delighting millions of gamers worldwide. Battlemage is a great example of the benefit of iteration. Very measurable gains in software robustness and performance since Alchemist in 2022. They will be on path to leadership if they iterate again and launch Celestial in the next 12 months. Make all inventory of PVC (including ones in the Argonne Exascale installation) available to Github developers with no "cloud friction". It should be a single click connect to cloud GPUs from any PC/Mac in the world. Intel GPUs are the most compatible (amongst other intel choices) with Pytorch/Triton AI developer eco-system. This effort will help immensely with the leadership 2027 system launch, where more software will be functional on Intel day one.
 
homerdog said:
If Intel were putting out datacenter products that were competitive with NVIDIA the cost wouldn't be such a huge issue. Hell if Intel fabbed for NVIDIA cost wouldn't be a huge issue (for DC products).
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Yes if Intel's doing their own products, but if fabbing for NVIDIA I think cost will still be an issue unless their process is much better than everyone elses', otherwise NVIDIA would just shopping around and find a more cost effective fab.
I think this is kind of a blessing and curse of vertical integration. Vertical integration allows one to overlook some cost inefficiencies in the supply chain, but on the other hand, it also might cause the supplier (which they own) becoming too inefficient because they have a guaranteed customer.
Intel is always a process first company. In a sense most of its problems can be pointed at the process: if they have a world leading process most of these problems would just disappear or at least not as serious as it is now.
 
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