The Getaway 3

ya whateveri i could care less what you think, I never made a demand on Sony and your reply (intended to inflame discussion) was trolling if anything.

i simply said Sony should have had some playable stuff at TGS, and it's dissapointing they didn't. You come flying out like some PS fan-boy asking me if I own 51% of Sony? Look at yourself...
 
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Why does lack of gameplay footage = difficult development? UE3 was ported in 2 months was it not (or was it two weeks)? Same with the FFVII demo, created in a short time. A substantial part of a games development is getting the graphics and animation which is what we're seeing in these demos, only the demos present a better visual experience then watching someone else playing a game. The media industry is all about capturing people's imagination. This is better achieved with exciting, humourous, dynamic visuals of a trailer then gameplay footage which is normally only fun if you're playing, not watching. Which would impress the world more, the MGS demo as shown, or 3 minutes of gameplay including 30 seconds of the player standing still in the shadows avoiding being detected and 85 seconds of crawling slowly along the ground under the view of a security camera? The latter might make for some engrossing gameplay; I remember trying a demo of Thief and enjoying doing nothing for ages. But that's not how to market a product and drive up enthusiam.

Unless everything being shown is the product of a render farm, these devs are getting to grips with the hardware and producing some excellent engines on which to build their games.
 
scooby_dooby said:
ya whateveri i could care less what you think, I never made a demand on Sony and your reply (intended to inflame discussion) was trolling if anything.

i simply said Sony should have had some playable stuff at TGS, and it's dissapointing they didn't. You come flying out like some PS fan-boy asking me if I own 51% of Sony? Look at yourself...

Keep personal attacks outside this forum. You still have made no effort to (1) keep on topic and (2) contribute to the thread. All you've been doing is bitching about how Sony is crap and how you think everyone is a fanboi against you or MS, all because we obviously disagree with your very thin and constantly contraddicting argumentation. Like usual.

For your information, Sony showed a lot more than MGS4, whether you noticed it or not.
 
scooby_dooby said:
With a console launching in 6 months no playable games is a let down, all that says to ME is that they are having a hard time coping with the new hardware, and that the launch of PS3 may be delayed even longer.

It's funny how Sony gets a free pass on everything, if MS showed up to E3 with nothing but CGI trailers cut-scenes, with not a single playable game, or any in-game footage, people would've nailed em to teh cross. BUt for PS3, it's good marketing?

Please, in 2004 Kutaragi was saying playable PS3 in E3 2005, then at E3 he said playable PS3 at TGS, now at TGS it's still not playable. I find it funny how some people have such blind loyalty to a company they can't even express dissapointment when that company decieves or fails to deliever on what they promised.

At least when MS fucks up I'm all over them, i don't sit back and make weak excuses about what marketing geniuses they are. This is the last big show before x360 launches, no playable games, nothing besides MGS4, that's not very much to stop the X360 momentum and I expected alot more.


From your posts I get you don`t even want to buy a PS3. So why do you care if there are playable games or not ?
 
It's true that Sony has promised playable PS3 material on several different occasions, which probably means the software is far from ready, but PS3 will still likely ship in the Spring in Japan and Fall in the US.
 
Johnny Awesome said:
It's true that Sony has promised playable PS3 material on several different occasions

I vaguely remember it being said that PS3 should be playable at E3 - this was said back in 04 - but since E3, Sony has never "promised" anything with regard to when PS3 would be playable. Kutaragi couldn't confirm at The Playstation Meeting that PS3 would be playable at TGS, and only went as far to say that it might be. Since E3, Sony has not yet said when PS3 will get its first playable debut at all.

Also, regarding CES, I believe that's simply a magazine rumour - the only date revealed to be on Sony's calendar before the Spring launch (wherever that launch is), is the special Playstation convention they're going to have in Feb. I'm sure Sony will likely be at CES in some form or another, but it hasn't be announced yet I don't think.
 
I think people in here need to distinguish the difference between what a company will say and do for marketing reasons. Just because a company sais something in year x and doesn't do it when the time comes doesn't mean the company is necessarely behind schedule, but that it also could make less sense out of a marketing perspective because the market requirements changed. It's a very dynamic market - things change continuessly. Things that make sense at time x don't necessarely make sense at a latter time.

Marketing overrules a lot when it makes sense.
 
Johnny Awesome said:
It's not surprising that you would think this.


It's not surprising that you think what you think.:rolleyes: Show me where Sony said that they promise to have playable PS3 games at TGS.
 
london-boy said:
It's almost like expecting to see unfinished scenes from unreleased movies, with place-holder scenery and costumes. Or expecting to hear demos of songs, with half-finished lyrics and place-holder arrangements before an album is released.

Who would care?! What the people want (that's the 99% of people who doesn't post on internet forums, cause we are a very small minority) is to buy the product as it's meant to be. They want to go to the movies to watch the final version of it, they buy albums, the final versions of it. Normal people don't give a damn about the work-in-progress, and the prospect of seeing unfinished and potentially crappy work-in-progress doesn't excite them in the least.
If the development houses wish to show us work in progress, fine, but there is little point in showing unfinished and largely low-quality material, risking to scare customers away. That's what MS did and they got caned for that.

Bravo. Thast the most honest answer I've heard.

EDIT: But wouldnt it also suck to see a kick as DEMO of a movie that eventually really sucked? Oh yeah those are called trailers!
 
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I was open to the latest Getaway trailer being pre-rendered CG since Sony hadn't yet explicitly stated otherwise (all claims I've seen posted have referred to the original Getaway trailer at the PS3 unveiling, which didn't look quite as impressive). But then I saw the low-res, blocky reflections in the building window at 00:25 into the GameTrailers movie, and decided that it's most probably realtime. And impressed I became.
 
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