The AMD 9070 / 9070XT Reviews and Discussion Thread

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I'm pretty sure this release is going to be full of excitement, and certainly merits a shiny new thread for spirited discussion! For anyone who gets lost in other threads or subforums, I'll help corral discussions into this general direction. Enjoy and let the gaming begin!!

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I'm really excited for the 9070XT. If the rumors on both MSRP and performance are pretty close to accurate, it should be a very strong contender in the quality midrange GPU vertical. As an aside, I'm always in the market for some good folding opportunities, maaaaan would it be great if ROCm can finally hit prime time on Radeon graphics... SIgh.
 
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It's kinda ok.


Raster wise, it's basically a 7900xt with better upscaling and better ish RT performance.

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I say better'ish because in RT heavy games, it really can't do it which tells me perhaps their RT pipeline is more about efficiency of what they had instead of having new dedicated silicon like nvidia.

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Great to see FSR4 = DLSS CNN which for me was as an absolute baseline they had to hit. Great piece by @Dictator
 
Despite the clickbait thumbnail Steve was pretty reserved in his review. The 9070 XT comes in slightly behind the 5070 Ti and is basically a 7900 XT.

He couldn’t match AMD’s numbers vs the 7900 GRE so AMD was a bit optimistic. He’s giving them the benefit of the doubt.

He also mentions that AMD is giving $50 rebates to retailers to get the price down to $600 so clearly the original price was $650. There are AIB models coming for $850 so it seems AMD is working off Nvidia’s playbook.

RT performance gets a very nice boost in lighter RT titles.

 
Considering the 9070 XT has the same PT performance rating as the 5070 in that review, is faster elsewhere and has an extra 4GB of memory, the positioning at MSRP seems reasonable.
 
Not as disappointing as the 5070. But perhaps not quite the game changer it was hyped up to be.

I do like it for the price. But are enthusiasts gonna want to settle for 4080 perf nearly 2 and a half years later, still with weaker RT and feature set, and no improvements in power efficiency? Some, probably.
 
The local retailer here says they'll have around 100 ~ 120 5070s and ~ 280 9070s and 9070 XTs (I guess it's combined) on their web store. In their physical stores it's around 20 per store. However, at least both 5070 and 9070 XT can be purchased directly without any bundling.
Price wise 5070s are from NT$19,900 with basic models to NT$25,990 with some sort of high end models (MSRP from NVIDIA is NT$19,900). There's no price for 9070 and 9070 XT yet as they are set to be available tomorrow.
 
RobertR1 said:
It's kinda ok.


Raster wise, it's basically a 7900xt with better upscaling and better ish RT performance.

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I say better'ish because in RT heavy games, it really can't do it which tells me perhaps their RT pipeline is more about efficiency of what they had instead of having new dedicated silicon like nvidia.

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Great to see FSR4 = DLSS CNN which for me was as an absolute baseline they had to hit. Great piece by @Dictator
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That’s the only review I’ve seen that has the 7900XT so close to the 9070XT. Generally, it seems to be closer to the XTX.

PT/heavy RT performance is poor, but that comes as no surprise since AMD still hasn’t included dedicated HW for BVH traversal and lags behind in other aspects as well. At least it’s finally usable in most games with lighter RT.
 
Subtlesnake said:
the positioning at MSRP seems reasonable.
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Steve from Hardware Unboxed says AMD paid 50$ rebates to distributors (they were planning a 650$ price), meaning the price will go up when the rebates are over, further more AIB cards are costing more, the XFX model he reviewed will cost 770$ and after tariffs will reach 850$ (timestamped).

 
I found it quite surprising, the performance varies depending on the game, but overall it competes with the 5070Ti and given the price difference, there's not much to think about. In RT it is also quite satisfactory, the biggest loss was in Black Myth Wukong, but that game is a pro-Nvidia game, in Cyberpunk it seemed more balanced to me.

FSR4 is also much better than DLSS CNN but inferior to Transformer, although better in some aspects, probably due to some kind of regression in the model, as mentioned in the DF video.
 
Florin said:
Not as disappointing as the 5070. But perhaps not quite the game changer it was hyped up to be.
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Well it should do a lot better against 5070/Ti thanks to FSR4 and the improved RT - it is obviously not on the same level as Nvidia's but no one sane ever expected that.
The pricing for the XT seems solid at a first glance. I'll reserve a final judgement for when I'll look through all the interesting benchmark results.
The non-XT is a weird one though. It is seemingly just a tad faster than 5070 - but in both non-RT and "lite" RT workloads. I'm not sure that it's going to sell well against a similar priced 5070 - or just a +$50 XT model upsale (MSRPs of course, we'll see how they'll sit in retail). To me it seems almost like they couldn't have make it any cheaper and thus made it unattractive to not lose much on it.

Sega_Model_4 said:
in Cyberpunk it seemed more balanced to me
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It's doing fine unless you switch to heavy RT (PT, Full RT). CP2077 isn't an exception here.

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Edit: I have to add that "doing fine" here means that the card is now less limited by its RT h/w throughput which means that the bottleneck has shifted to shading again. So in games where this is the case the "RT comparisons" are likely showing us shading comparisons, not RT comparisons. The PT/Full RT/whatever results are the ones which showcase the relative capabilities of RT h/w.
 
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Maybe we have the same issue again like we had with Crysis and the games have to much Raytracing (In Crysis it was Tesselation)? Again a Trick from Nvidia to favourit their Games?
 
Digidi said:
Maybe we have the same issue again like we had with Crysis and the games have to much Raytracing (In Crysis it was Tesselation)? Again a Trick from Nvidia to favourit their Games?
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No, this is consistent behavior in every path traced title. PCGH tested 8 path traced titles and the results are the same. Even a 5070 is 20% faster than 9070XT at 1080p (where it doesn't run out of VRAM).

www.pcgameshardware.de

Radeon RX 9070 XT und 9070 im Test: AMD sprengt die Erwartungen!

Pathtracing-Benchmarks & Leistungsindex
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