Surprise - Fatal Frame2 scarier and better than Silent Hill
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Character have shadows, nothing else.maskrider said:
And I'm not entirely sure (I only have little playtime myself), but from what I remember the flashlight doesn't correctly affect character shadows either.
I am sure they had reasons for design choices the game makes, but yeah, SH series is quite a bit more advanced in those areas.londonboy said:
Faf, you are correct in that no the lighting model (if you can call it that) doesn't handle shadows. However Tecmo appears to have hacked a few istances where certain enviromental objects do cast shadows (kinda looks like projected geometry to me). the room in the beginng and the temple courtyard spring to mind.
notAFanB said:
Yes, the beginning. Here is a video showing the shadows.
http://www.htfriends.net/video/ff-shadow.wmv
(2.1 MBytes, ~ 11 seconds)
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I remember seeing shadows even in the FF1 demo, on some objects when I lit them with the flashlight. It wasn't global like in SH3, though.
Faf, in the meantime I've heard many nice things about FF2 graphics, like how it uses effects and such. Is there any truth to that?
Faf, in the meantime I've heard many nice things about FF2 graphics, like how it uses effects and such. Is there any truth to that?
Marc,
like I said I also haven't played very far yet, but from what I've seen, the gameplay graphics are ok (the lighting model could use some work, but other stuff isn't too bad).
Cutscenes have some nifty effects though - hard to describe, but it's in vein of classic Japanese horror movies, playing with camera effects, going in/out of focus etc. There's also nice subtle use of noise filter, and ghosts look cool.
The part I don't like is character facial animations - they are very stiff and only make them look even more like plastic dolls - coupled with the usual shaky english voice acting it's hard to be emphatic about your character at all :|
like I said I also haven't played very far yet, but from what I've seen, the gameplay graphics are ok (the lighting model could use some work, but other stuff isn't too bad).
Cutscenes have some nifty effects though - hard to describe, but it's in vein of classic Japanese horror movies, playing with camera effects, going in/out of focus etc. There's also nice subtle use of noise filter, and ghosts look cool.
The part I don't like is character facial animations - they are very stiff and only make them look even more like plastic dolls - coupled with the usual shaky english voice acting it's hard to be emphatic about your character at all :|
How does Siren (or Forbidden Siren, whatever) compare to this and SH series then? Not only in graphics of course...
I need some scary things, my life is getting flat-line-y boring.
I need some scary things, my life is getting flat-line-y boring.
Fafalada said:While that's a convenient excuse (oh it's for the artstyle!!!), I have a hard time buying in this case because the facial animation looks exactly the same as in every other Tecmo game since (and including) DOA2.
Unless of course, their animators have always been planning this
But aren't all the chars in Tecmo games look like dolls ? They all look like dolls to me, but they are some beautiful and hot dolls.
Anime dolls yeah, but that doesn't mean they should look completely lifeless and dull.maskrider said:
ToyStory has dolls for characters too but they are also very lifelike. I don't mind that in a fighting game(I always liked DOA2), but adventure games usually need some sympathizing with main character to really immerse you into the story and so far FF2 hasn't succeeded with that for me.
I think it would also work better as a scary game if I can actually care about my character.
Fair enough
But if I just cared about hot dolls that don't animate too well I'd be better off playing Illusion soft games, they let you do... stuff... with them too
How is Dark Water? Was very tempted to rent it the other day...
Also, how are Ring 0 and Ring 2 (prequel and sequel of the original one) compared to Ring(1)?
Also, how are Ring 0 and Ring 2 (prequel and sequel of the original one) compared to Ring(1)?
london-boy said:
I haven't watched Dark Water yet. I have watched the Ring series and I think only the original one "The Ring" is the best, the others are trying to milk on the same concept but the atmosphere is not quite the same.
And heh ! I am playing Zero (Fatal Frame) at the moment, pretty cool indeed.
The fact that we both know exactly what those games are is bad enough already don't you think?Legion said:
I'm quite fond of that style of movies yes. I've watched several Ring movies, but the movie that stuck with me the most recently is Juon - theatrical release (I know it's a different director, but the style is similar, with nastier psychological horror side).
Incidentially aside for it being a good movie, the original Ring provides very good material for cross culturual studies
Namely there are 3 versions now (Korean, US, Japanese) and while they all follow the exact same story, each of them is uniquely identified by a few modifications that are clearly adapted for the target market.How is Dark Water? I haven't seen that one yet.
There are two alternate sequels to The Ring - Ring 2 and Rasen, and the latter is considered by most of the fanbase to be the TRUE sequel, so I suggest you check that one first.LondonBoy said:
Ring 0 is a disgrace to the series though - Think of it as what Episode 2 is to the original StarWars trilogy.
Well at least you didn't say Episode 1.
(Though actually, I don't think I know which one was worse anymore. <sigh> )
(Though actually, I don't think I know which one was worse anymore. <sigh> )