Sony to sell software "license" only, no pre-owned games

RancidLunchmeat said:
No. It is fallacious to assume that either of us believe the rumor is true simply because we are pointing out the rather obvious fact that she has not explicitly denied it. Which is a direct contrast to her statements on the previous rumor that she did explicity deny.
If you don't believe it to be true then you're just generating noise for the sake of it.

Perhaps you should document Jennie's previous press statements to see if it is a trend for her to explicitly deny allegations and rumours (heck lets see just how many company's even go so far as to comment on rumour and speculation). Or perhaps it is all about context, and the way the information may have been presented to Jennie when asking for a response. The allegation in the article was that Sony was communicating [this information] with retailers. This she flatly denied. If these discussions did not occur, then in what way does the rumour exist? There is nothing left to substantiate it.
 
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17283

GamesRadar yesterday reported that Sony was warning high street retailers that the sale of pre-owned games would be illegal due to the licensing terms of PS3 software, which would mean that discs technically remained the property of Sony.

However, a Sony Computer Entertainment UK spokesperson today outright denied that any such message had been conveyed to retailers - telling GamesIndustry.biz that following conversations with the firm's European parent company, neither division has "any knowledge" of such a strategy.

"We have definitely not been communicating that," UK spokesperson Jennie Kong confirmed. "It's false speculation. We don't have any further knowledge about this topic - either officially or unofficially, to be frank."
 
well whether it's true or not, I don't see why anybody is getting so bent out of shape.

I mean scenarios like the one's proposed in this thread are not so far away from reality that they could never happen.

Frankly, I think the used market has pros and cons and things change. Sometimes for the better, depending on where you are in that scenario.

there were actually some good ideas being floated about in this thread until people started taking it personally (accusing and denying).
 
Mmmkay said:
If you don't believe it to be true then you're just generating noise for the sake of it.

Generating noise? No. Actually seeing the relevance and importance of such a decision and interested in the effect it would have on the industry? Yes.

If she had flatly denied the claim, then there would be no room for discussion. But she didn't. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether or not we believe it to be true. The fact that she hasn't flatly denied the possibilty means that the issue is up for debate at Sony, and therefore, has reasonable grounds for discussion.

Perhaps you should document Jennie's previous press statements to see if it is a trend for her to explicitly deny allegations and rumours

And perhaps I have no need to take such measures or go to such lengths, because we already have two reactions from Sony. The first where they firmly deny any intention to add a means of linking a particular game to a particular console. And the second, where they don't deny that they are 1) Thinking about it 2) Have discussed it 3) Might implement it in the future. The only denial they've put forward is that they haven't communicated any such decision to retailers.

The difference between their reactions to the two different rumors is rather striking. If you fail to understand that, I'm sorry.

The allegation in the article was that Sony was communicating [this information] with retailers. This she flatly denied. If these discussions did not occur, then in what way does the rumour exist? There is nothing left to substantiate it.

No, it wasn't. The allegations in the article was threefold. First, it was that Sony was contemplating such a move. Second, that Sony had actually decided to implement this tactic and third that Sony had communicated to retailers the first and second allegations.

The only thing the Sony response denied was the third allegation. Not the first, not the second.

Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that they are contemplating such an action. The probability of whether or not they decide that is an intelligent business decision is currently unknown. However, that in itself, provides all the justification necessary to have a discussion about whether or not they are likely to do this, and what impact it might have.

Like Scooby, I feel this is extremely unlikely, because I think implementing such a tactic would result in a net loss to Sony, and I personally don't believe that For-Profit Corporations have a habit of doing things are counter-productive.

But, by not issuing an explicit denial of this rumor (like they did when presented with the first), they most certainly left the window open for discussion.

If you don't like it, don't participate in the discussion.

However, saying that there's no basis for the discussion is absurd.
 
[edit] It's not worth my time. Congratulations on being the only person I have ever put on ignore.

she stated "It's false speculation". Stop ignoring this.
 
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Mmmkay said:
If the communications between Sony and retailers never happened,

Moreover, she stated "It's false speculation". Stop ignoring this.

Quoted just to show this comment again. Lunchmeat you are a funny guy really. Like Mmmkay said see said the speculation is false what more do you want?

So when the next 360 rumor is started if MS doesn't even respond to it should we assume it's true?
 
mckmas8808 said:
I never thought people wanted this story to be so true. :???:

Wow
I'm way past the point of caring if it's true or not. :smile:

(FTR I believe it's not and is a dead issue as far as Sony is concerned.)

I just thought it was an interesting part of the industry and worth a discussion irrespective of sony or MS or Nintendo bringing it to the table.
 
Tap In said:
I'm way past the point of caring if it's true or not. :smile:

(FTR I believe it's not and is a dead issue as far as Sony is concerned.)

I just thought it was an interesting part of the industry and worth a discussion irrespective of sony or MS or Nintendo bringing it to the table.

Oh I agree with you totally. The conversation/debate is very interesting. But people kind of ruin the conversation when they act as if the rumor may be true.
 
Here's what my 'insider contacts' had to say :

Sony are going to make second hand games illegal, but aren't ready to announce that yet. All the developers are really happy with this. They see the second hand market akin to piracy, with the shops making money off their work that cuts into their profits. The devs are going to drop all software development for XB360 and Wii in the middle of 2007. Apart from 1st party titles, there will be no games on any machine other than PlayStations.

Some might question the validity of this info, but it does make sense...
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Here's what my 'insider contacts' had to say :

Sony are going to make second hand games illegal, but aren't ready to announce that yet. All the developers are really happy with this. They see the second hand market akin to piracy, with the shops making money off their work that cuts into their profits. The devs are going to drop all software development for XB360 and Wii in the middle of 2007. Apart from 1st party titles, there will be no games on any machine other than PlayStations.

Some might question the validity of this info, but it does make sense...


lol ahhh ... well that does bring up an interesting topic. Is/was this promised to developers/publishers by Sony as a potential lure away from the competition? Obviously they had the vast majority developing for their platform already but how big of a selling point would this be to dev/pubs to stick with the tried and true and shun the up & coming?

Thoughts?
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Here's what my 'insider contacts' had to say :

Sony are going to make second hand games illegal, but aren't ready to announce that yet. All the developers are really happy with this. They see the second hand market akin to piracy, with the shops making money off their work that cuts into their profits. The devs are going to drop all software development for XB360 and Wii in the middle of 2007. Apart from 1st party titles, there will be no games on any machine other than PlayStations.

Some might question the validity of this info, but it does make sense...

Thanks Shifty now I will have to see this on other forums quoted as truth.:p
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Here's what my 'insider contacts' had to say :

Sony are going to make second hand games illegal, but aren't ready to announce that yet. All the developers are really happy with this. They see the second hand market akin to piracy, with the shops making money off their work that cuts into their profits. The devs are going to drop all software development for XB360 and Wii in the middle of 2007. Apart from 1st party titles, there will be no games on any machine other than PlayStations.

Some might question the validity of this info, but it does make sense...

So what is to stop people from independently selling them ?
 
Mmmkay said:
It is fallacious to assume that the rumour is true because it was not explicitly denied when the source was thoroughly debunked. This despite the fact she clearly stated "It's false speculation".

I guess you failed to read my last sentance. It reads like this "At the end of the day, I would expect this to be false..."

Does it sound like I believe the rumour to be true? I'm simply clarifying that they have not explicitly denied the content of the rumour, only the source.
 
This wouldn't be the same group of people who stated some 4 or 5 days before the November launch date that they were still on track for a Spring launch would it?


ok, I kid, I kid.



*95% of all statements made before the phrase, "I'm just kidding/playing/joshing" are the speakers true sentiments.

Please note that 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot by any given speaker. :D

I've already given my version of a solution, I'm not sure if its feasbile, but I have been on the digi-distro bandwagon forever, and I intentionally buy new games to support other developers. I'm sure that there is a group of actuaries within the industry working on numbers about how to cut out the middle-men, and the cost savings/cost increases by doing such a thing.
 
NucNavST3 said:
This wouldn't be the same group of people who stated some 4 or 5 days before the November launch date that they were still on track for a Spring launch would it?


ok, I kid, I kid.



*95% of all statements made before the phrase, "I'm just kidding/playing/joshing" are the speakers true sentiments.

Please note that 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot by any given speaker. :D

I've already given my version of a solution, I'm not sure if its feasbile, but I have been on the digi-distro bandwagon forever, and I intentionally buy new games to support other developers. I'm sure that there is a group of actuaries within the industry working on numbers about how to cut out the middle-men, and the cost savings/cost increases by doing such a thing.

AMEN - and hopefully this increase in profits will result in further innovation and not further shovelware. "look its easy! I can turn one of these turds out every year and they scoop em up like chicken soup! BRILLIANT!"
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Here's what my 'insider contacts' had to say :

Sony are going to make second hand games illegal, but aren't ready to announce that yet. All the developers are really happy with this. They see the second hand market akin to piracy, with the shops making money off their work that cuts into their profits. The devs are going to drop all software development for XB360 and Wii in the middle of 2007. Apart from 1st party titles, there will be no games on any machine other than PlayStations.

Some might question the validity of this info, but it does make sense...

LOL. While I'm generally in favor of such a move, I find the "drop all software development for ..." part doubtful.

*If implemented* we should credit Sony for doing the industry a big favor (They probably learned from their movie business). Sony will no doubt attract more heat later on.
 
scooby_dooby said:
I guess you failed to read my last sentance. It reads like this "At the end of the day, I would expect this to be false..."

Does it sound like I believe the rumour to be true? I'm simply clarifying that they have not explicitly denied the content of the rumour, only the source.

Reading comprehension is really lacking here by a number of people. Why they can't understand that one can actually make logical and unbiased analysis of an individual's comments is really their own beef.

Again, the only denial given was that Sony has not been communicating any ideas about this to retailers.

The speculation that was referred to is clearly in regard to their supposed act of communication. Not reflective of any other aspect of the rumor.

What strikes me as most interesting is how quickly people want to shut down discussions on certain issues. As if one requires firm evidence that something will exist before the possibilities and impact of such a decision could be discussed.
 
RancidLunchmeat said:
What strikes me as most interesting is how quickly people want to shut down discussions on certain issues. As if one requires firm evidence that something will exist before the possibilities and impact of such a decision could be discussed.

Hmmmm.....

me said:
Oh I agree as long as we all are on the same page knowing that there's no ounce of truth to the original story then I say precede

me said:
Oh I agree with you totally. The conversation/debate is very interesting. But people kind of ruin the conversation when they act as if the rumor may be true.

So I guess you are not talking about me.:smile:
 
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