Sony cuts back on PSP manufacturing predictions

[zurich]

Sounds like the PS2 launch.. lots of hype, some great launch games, then bam - nothing for almost a year. If the PSP can survive until ~September, then all will be fine and it'll take off.

this sounds more like wishful thinking than like rational reasoning..

Why would you say that? It's just a matter of game development cycles.

 

[Kolgar]

Possibly help lower price of UMD movies. I have changed my perception of UMD movies. Earlier I used to think its not a great thing but now I feel only thing holding it back is high price of UMD movies. I would rather have a UMD movie instead of going over all the trouble of compressing and putting it on even more expensive Memory Sticks.

I agree. If UMD movies came out at $14.99 to $17.99 for a top-end release, and $9.99 to $12.99 for an older movie, I'd be right there building my collection.

Like PSP itself, UMD movies have a certain chic... Priced intelligently, they could really stoke demand.

Right now, I think $15 is about the most I'll pay for a UMD movie, and it shocks me when I see some stores selling discs at $29.99.

By the way, I watched a couple of UMD movies yesterday and there's no doubt that they look MUCH better than anything you can reasonably fit on a Mem Stick. That alone is reason enough for me to buy them if Sony just prices them affordably.

 

[Magnum PI]

Why would you say that? It's just a matter of game development cycles.

in the post of yours i quoted, i failed to see the fact and/or the reasoning that made you certain that what happened for the PS2 would happen for the PSP.

IMHO the analogy b/w PS2 launch and PSP launch is very limited.
the parameters are not the same at all.

despite the lack of games, sony didn't have to cut back on PS2 manufacturing prediction, and had more shortage problems than overstocking ones.
it took the sales top position and didn't sell less than a console that was launched earlier.
PS2 was the descendant of the leading PS1.

you can't say that regarding the PSP.

 

[PC-Engine]

Whatever. If Sony wants to jump-start demand for this system, it's going to need to lower the price of the hardware and ensure a steady flow of games.

Possibly help lower price of UMD movies. I have changed my perception of UMD movies. Earlier I used to think its not a great thing but now I feel only thing holding it back is high price of UMD movies. I would rather have a UMD movie instead of going over all the trouble of compressing and putting it on even more expensive Memory Sticks.

That will surely depend on how many UMD movies you plan on buying and how many different movies you plan on watching on your PSP. If you only plan on watching 1 or 2 movies then yeah it would probably make sense to just buy the UMDs instead of ripping DVDs onto a MSDUO. However what happens when you want to watch your existing DVDs on PSP? Well you either rebuy those DVDs on UMD if they're available or you spend the money on a 512MB MSDUO which isn't THAT expensive. Unless UMD movies turn out to be really cheap, the format just isn't going to take off and only a handful of people would actually build a new movie library based on UMD.

Guys can you let the PSP come out in Europe first before you call death of the handheld. And PC-Engine how long should we wait before we can evaulate the UMD sales? One year , two years, or what. The UMD has done something faster than what the DVD has done. So what more do you want.

Again you're comparing DVD which is NOT a proprietary format to UMD which IS a proprietary format. When are YOU going to stop making flawed comparsions? How many CE companies are making UMD players??? How many PSPs are able to hook up to a tv??? What was DVD competing with??? What is UMD competing with??? I rest my case.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Whatever. If Sony wants to jump-start demand for this system, it's going to need to lower the price of the hardware and ensure a steady flow of games.

Possibly help lower price of UMD movies. I have changed my perception of UMD movies. Earlier I used to think its not a great thing but now I feel only thing holding it back is high price of UMD movies. I would rather have a UMD movie instead of going over all the trouble of compressing and putting it on even more expensive Memory Sticks.

That will surely depend on how many UMD movies you plan on buying and how many different movies you plan on watching on your PSP. If you only plan on watching 1 or 2 movies then yeah it would probably make sense to just buy the UMDs instead of ripping DVDs onto a MSDUO. However what happens when you want to watch your existing DVDs on PSP? Well you either rebuy those DVDs on UMD if they're available or you spend the money on a 512MB MSDUO which isn't THAT expensive. Unless UMD movies turn out to be really cheap, the format just isn't going to take off and only a handful of people would actually build a new movie library based on UMD.

Guys can you let the PSP come out in Europe first before you call death of the handheld. And PC-Engine how long should we wait before we can evaulate the UMD sales? One year , two years, or what. The UMD has done something faster than what the DVD has done. So what more do you want.

Again you're comparing DVD which is NOT a proprietary format to UMD which IS a proprietary format. When are YOU going to stop making flawed comparsions? How many CE companies are making UMD players??? How many PSPs are able to hook up to a tv??? What was DVD competing with??? What is UMD competing with??? I rest my case.

I see the whole UMD movie thing is kinda BLAH...I guess for the less technical it would be less troublesome to get the UMD, instead of encoding a RIP of a DVD to MPEG9. But I would personally get a 512MB MSDUO and RIP and ENCODE my catalog of DVD's (if I wanted to watch it on the PSP). I would actually go as far as totally disregarding UMD's and just get the DVD and plan to RIP and ENCODE it for my PSP.

A scenario where I would get a UMD is if they had deals where you would buy the DVD and for maybe a few bucks more get the Movie on a UMD. Other than that....it rather pointless to get a UMD Movie JUST for your PSP and not be able to watch it on my Big Screen TV....

 

[mckmas8808]

it rather pointless to get a UMD Movie JUST for your PSP and not be able to watch it on my Big Screen TV....

Your missing the point. UMDs are made for watching away from home. I rent about 1 or 2 UMDs a week from Gamefly and I'm very impressed by the clarity that it gives me. I don't want to rip a movie 20 mintues everytime right before I go out.

And the reason I'm mainly renting now is because I too refuse to pay anything higher than $14.99 for a UMD. That fact that I will only watch it at work, at a friends or relative's house when I'm bored, or at the mall when I'm shopping with my girl (this is a pain and feels like death without my PSP) is why I won't pay $25 or $30.

I think sometime this year prices will tend to lower at stores. I guessing that prices in stores will start to resemble that prices at Amazon.com

Again you're comparing DVD which is NOT a proprietary format to UMD which IS a proprietary format. When are YOU going to stop making flawed comparsions? How many CE companies are making UMD players??? How many PSPs are able to hook up to a tv??? What was DVD competing with??? What is UMD competing with??? I rest my case.

Its the media thats comparing the two not just me. And you have to be honest the movie studios are going to compare too just to kinda gauge how well this format can be. Of course it will get nowhere near the success that the DVD has reached, but is it suppose to? I never thought so.

I wish you could follow me around one day and see the hype that I cause at regular stores, malls, and restaurants when I watch UMDs in the public. I bet you would change your opinion about them a little bit.

 

[PC-Engine]

Its the media thats comparing the two not just me. And you have to be honest the movie studios are going to compare too just to kinda gauge how well this format can be. Of course it will get nowhere near the success that the DVD has reached, but is it suppose to? I never thought so.

Who cares what the media are comparing since the comparisons are flawed. If you want to copy the media then go ahead doesn't make your same comparisons less flawed. UMD is DOA and no amount of wishing or false comparisons is going to change that anytime soon. UMD is directly competing with DVD end of story.

I wish you could follow me around one day and see the hype that I cause at regular stores, malls, and restaurants when I watch UMDs in the public. I bet you would change your opinion about them a little bit.

Why would I need to? I get far more interesting reactions from people who are curious about my DS when used in public places.

Your missing the point. UMDs are made for watching away from home. I rent about 1 or 2 UMDs a week from Gamefly and I'm very impressed by the clarity that it gives me. I don't want to rip a movie 20 mintues everytime right before I go out.

I'd rather rip all of my DVDs and store them on DVD-Rs in MPEG4 format so that when I want to watch them on a PSP I would just copy them onto a MSDUO instead of wasting money on UMDs. It would be pretty dumb to rebuy all of my DVDs on UMD. It's also kinda stupid to rip them to MPEG4 for just one viewing then deleting them that's why it makes sense to store them on DVD-Rs.

 

[Teasy]

Your missing the point. UMDs are made for watching away from home.

He's not missing the point at all. Yes UMD movies are supposed to be watched on the go. But he's saying that its pointless to spend money on a movie that can only be played on the PSP. When instead he can get a DVD for less money and watch it at home and on the PSP.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

100,000 UMD videos sold to date

 

[PC-Engine]

100,000 UMD videos sold to date

one hit wonder...

 

[Teasy]

100,000 UMD videos sold to date

Out of how many titles?

 

[mckmas8808]

UMD is DOA and no amount of wishing or false comparisons is going to change that anytime soon.

I've lost all respect for you from this comment of yours. How can something but Dead on Arrival if when is arrives it hits a milestone faster than DVDs did in their start. So with now 100 UMDs either out or scheduled to come out shortly at Amazon you still give nothing to UMDs future.

This proves to me that you are purely hating on what UMDs might accomplish. I don't think its that bad to by UMDs to watch when you are away from your house.

 

[PC-Engine]

UMD is DOA and no amount of wishing or false comparisons is going to change that anytime soon.

I've lost all respect for you from this comment of yours. How can something but Dead on Arrival if when is arrives it hits a milestone faster than DVDs did in their start. So with now 100 UMDs either out or scheduled to come out shortly at Amazon you still give nothing to UMDs future.

This proves to me that you are purely hating on what UMDs might accomplish. I don't think its that bad to by UMDs to watch when you are away from your house.

I hate to break it to you but the PSX got off to a nice start too...

Just because HoFD and REA sold fairly well doesn't say much about UMDs future, but feel free to believe what you want. In a year come back here and we'll discuss the success of UMD movies.

 

[mech]

Do we really need another thread where we go around in circles because PC-Engine is so rabidly pro-Nintendo and anti-Sony?

 

[PC-Engine]

Do we really need another thread where we go around in circles because PC-Engine is so rabidly pro-Nintendo and anti-Sony?

What does that have anything to do with UMD movies? That's right...nothing.

If you get a chance to escape into the world of reality, notice how even PSP owners are saying the same thing I'm saying about UMD movie format.

CYA.

 

[Kolgar]

Do we really need another thread where we go around in circles because PC-Engine is so rabidly pro-Nintendo and anti-Sony?

What does that have anything to do with UMD movies? That's right...nothing.

If you get a chance to escape into the world of reality, notice how even PSP owners are saying the same thing I'm saying about UMD movie format.

CYA.

Mods, this is exactly the kind of thing that's ruining Beyond3d. And it continues on and on, unchecked.

I don't know what's wrong and why no action is ever taken against it, but it's unacceptable. I think I'll begin spending the majority of my message-board time elsewhere.

 

[PC-Engine]

Do we really need another thread where we go around in circles because PC-Engine is so rabidly pro-Nintendo and anti-Sony?

What does that have anything to do with UMD movies? That's right...nothing.

If you get a chance to escape into the world of reality, notice how even PSP owners are saying the same thing I'm saying about UMD movie format.

CYA.

Mods, this is exactly the kind of thing that's ruining Beyond3d. And it continues on and on, unchecked.

I don't know what's wrong and why no action is ever taken against it, but it's unacceptable.

Just look who started it Sherlock.

What's the matter? Is the PSP situation TOO REAL for you? What happened to the blind faith?

Heh funny I have an urge to go dig up old Kolgar PSP posts just for sh*t and giggles.

To expand on that "empire building" comment I made in my last post: Sony's handling of the original PlayStation, and now PSP, shows that it knows how to enter a market and systematically take it over.

It's a beautiful model, and scary powerful. If I were Nintendo right now, I'd be stocking up on clean underwear, 'cuz the next few years are gonna be messy.

I've really heard everything now. Obviously being well in the lead doesn't panic Nintendo as much as it does you..

BTW I have to say the way you talk about PSP I think you may be the one who needs to stock up on clean underwear mate

against every evidence, the usual dommsayers continues to brag about nintendo demise in handheld territory, maybe with news like this they will be tempted to go back into reality.. (i'm surely dreaming)

I think I'll begin spending the majority of my message-board time elsewhere.

There are plenty of Pro SONY boards for you to find shelter in and you can brag about watching your 3 UMD movies until the cows come home, but you probably won't be missed here.

Wouldn't it be kinda ironic if Kolgar's last post at B3D was in a thread prophesying the PSP's demise?

This news eerily mirrors the reduction in production of PSX units just before it finally hit rock bottom...then of course anything is possible and SONY might be willing to lower the price of PSP to $100 like Kolgar predicted while bleeding even more money and by the time Sony releases PSP3, this thing could be as ubiquitous as the wristwatch.

 

[mech]

Mods, come on, he's ruining every damn thread he enters. It's ridiculous. There's no clever or interesting debate, just post after post by PC-Engine being the worst Nintendo troll I have ever seen.

 

[mech]

In any case, here's what a less biased source had to say about UMD production (Shacknews)

Sony announced that sales of UMD-based movies have surpassed over 100,000 units sold. That's a rather impressive amount considering how most thought they wouldn't sell as well priced the same as a standard DVD. Sales have nowhere to go but up as starting this week, we're going to be seeing a huge surge in the amount of titles released. Check out this complete list over at GamesAreFun.

 

[PC-Engine]

Mods, come on, he's ruining every damn thread he enters. It's ridiculous. There's no clever or interesting debate, just post after post by PC-Engine being the worst Nintendo troll I have ever seen.

Actually YOU are ruining the thread by bringing up pro Nintendo and anti SONY rhetoric.

I say again what does Nintendo have anything to do with UMD movies? I'm waiting for your answer Dexter.

In any case, here's what a less biased source had to say about UMD production (Shacknews)

Sony announced that sales of UMD-based movies have surpassed over 100,000 units sold. That's a rather impressive amount considering how most thought they wouldn't sell as well priced the same as a standard DVD. Sales have nowhere to go but up as starting this week, we're going to be seeing a huge surge in the amount of titles released. Check out this complete list over at GamesAreFun.

That's nice and dandy but it's just regurgitating information that's already known then predicting UMD movies can only go up from this point onward? LMAO...yeah right Nostradamus.