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Anyone remember the R300 launch, when the previews didnt have real numbers, just provided benchmarks under ATI controlled settings? This board seemed to embrace that with open arms. I'm shocked (
) at the reaction the last two days!
As mentioned previously, reviewers were allowed to conduct their own benchmarks, but they were done on ATi built systems. This is a far cry from ATi providing the benchmark numbers.
Anyone remember how the R300 was (and still is) only marginally faster than the Ti4600 except in extreme bandwidth circumstances (e.g. resolutions that most consumers monitors cant even support?) but 30 percent increase over the R300 in those same resolutions is "not fast enough"?
If you're CPU limited, of course the difference between the two will be small. But now you're claiming that NV30 is going to help in CPU limited situations? Give us a break.
I knew that regardless of what was announced yesterday, the spin would be negative. The number of posts cautioning people before the announcement that it likely wouldnt be faster was pretty consistent, and there are still posts to that effect on the board. By nearly any metric the NV30 is faster than the R300, across all resolutions.
Says who? nvidia? Puh-lease. We've seen a handful of numbers
from nvidia showing that NV30 is faster. Why were those tests shown? Why those resolutions? Why that level of AA? Oh yeah, I forgot that nvidia is totally impartial, I mean, they wouldn't use a custom Doom 3 demo or anything, right?
Anyone remember how important it was that the Radeon 8500 had a better pixel pipeline feature set, but going beyond DX9 specs is completely irrelevant (even though its painfully obvious that there are a few high profile developers and software packages lined up to take advantage of the additional features as opposed to other products)?
Show us a feature that can't be done on R300 and maybe we'll be impressed. And has NV30
really gone beyond DX9? What about multiple render targets? What about displacement mapping? Last I checked, these were both a part of the spec.
Anyone remember when launching with very few technical details and vague marketectural information was okay for the R300, but is suddenly a horrendous event that shows the desperation and unscrupulousness of Nvidia?
ATi was very quiet about R300 before its launch. nvidia was giving out information far in advance of NV30's launch. Oh yeah, I can see how these situations are similar and would be confusing to you.
My personal opinion on the event is that it was a pretty fantastic success. All the people that actually matter at this point not only got to see and play on real hardware (many for the first time), it was aimed at squarely reassuring Nvidia's partners that the chip was done and they are ready to go. Take care of your content people and your partners first, then worry about the screaming vocal minority web community is a smart and effective strategy.
Everyone, including OEMs, can see that NV30 is not here
now. We're three months away from seeing NV30s in stores and in machines, R300 was released a month after launch. Again, I can see how this would be confusing.
-FUDie
