Anyone remember the R300 launch, when the previews didnt have real numbers, just provided benchmarks under ATI controlled settings? This board seemed to embrace that with open arms. I'm shocked ( 
) at the reaction the last two days!
Anyone remember how the R300 was (and still is) only marginally faster than the Ti4600 except in extreme bandwidth circumstances (e.g. resolutions that most consumers monitors cant even support?) but 30 percent increase over the R300 in those same resolutions is "not fast enough"?
Anyone remember how important it was that the Radeon 8500 had a better pixel pipeline feature set, but going beyond DX9 specs is completely irrelevant (even though its painfully obvious that there are a few high profile developers and software packages lined up to take advantage of the additional features as opposed to other products)?
Anyone remember when launching with very few technical details and vague marketectural information was okay for the R300, but is suddenly a horrendous event that shows the desperation and unscrupulousness of Nvidia?
I could go on and on, but feigning impartiality in the face of the last year's worth of postings is pretty ridiculous. Ripping on other websites, denigrating posters on other boards (or people who's opinions dont agree with yours) is all a pretty sad degeneration.
I knew that regardless of what was announced yesterday, the spin would be negative. The number of posts cautioning people before the announcement that it likely wouldnt be faster was pretty consistent, and there are still posts to that effect on the board. By nearly any metric the NV30 is faster than the R300, across all resolutions.
I wonder if Beyond3D will Benchmark at 2048x with 4x AA (A situation that should clearly favor R300's "bandwidth advantage") and will they have the gall to state that the NV30 is 2.5 times as fast as the R300. We'll find out soon enough I suppose.
My personal opinion on the event is that it was a pretty fantastic success. All the people that actually matter at this point not only got to see and play on real hardware (many for the first time), it was aimed at squarely reassuring Nvidia's partners that the chip was done and they are ready to go. Take care of your content people and your partners first, then worry about the screaming vocal minority web community is a smart and effective strategy.
By the way, for the people that are at Comdex, what did you think of Sweeney's demo? I'm still completely in awe of it, its really what I expected out of the GeForce 3 class. I've been told he is also going to be working not only on soft shadows, but adding umbral and penumbral effects to those shadows as well. I also think Dawn is 1000% more marketable than the werewolf, although she may need a bit more clothing.
I'm also interested what your observations of the reactions of people on the demo stations, its nice to hear not only different perspectives, but peoples impressions of people's different perspectives.
And to make this post not a complete waste to those who are going to be offended by it.. NVIDIA IS D000000000M3DDDD!!!!!!111111
) at the reaction the last two days!Anyone remember how the R300 was (and still is) only marginally faster than the Ti4600 except in extreme bandwidth circumstances (e.g. resolutions that most consumers monitors cant even support?) but 30 percent increase over the R300 in those same resolutions is "not fast enough"?
Anyone remember how important it was that the Radeon 8500 had a better pixel pipeline feature set, but going beyond DX9 specs is completely irrelevant (even though its painfully obvious that there are a few high profile developers and software packages lined up to take advantage of the additional features as opposed to other products)?
Anyone remember when launching with very few technical details and vague marketectural information was okay for the R300, but is suddenly a horrendous event that shows the desperation and unscrupulousness of Nvidia?
I could go on and on, but feigning impartiality in the face of the last year's worth of postings is pretty ridiculous. Ripping on other websites, denigrating posters on other boards (or people who's opinions dont agree with yours) is all a pretty sad degeneration.
I knew that regardless of what was announced yesterday, the spin would be negative. The number of posts cautioning people before the announcement that it likely wouldnt be faster was pretty consistent, and there are still posts to that effect on the board. By nearly any metric the NV30 is faster than the R300, across all resolutions.
I wonder if Beyond3D will Benchmark at 2048x with 4x AA (A situation that should clearly favor R300's "bandwidth advantage") and will they have the gall to state that the NV30 is 2.5 times as fast as the R300. We'll find out soon enough I suppose.
My personal opinion on the event is that it was a pretty fantastic success. All the people that actually matter at this point not only got to see and play on real hardware (many for the first time), it was aimed at squarely reassuring Nvidia's partners that the chip was done and they are ready to go. Take care of your content people and your partners first, then worry about the screaming vocal minority web community is a smart and effective strategy.
By the way, for the people that are at Comdex, what did you think of Sweeney's demo? I'm still completely in awe of it, its really what I expected out of the GeForce 3 class. I've been told he is also going to be working not only on soft shadows, but adding umbral and penumbral effects to those shadows as well. I also think Dawn is 1000% more marketable than the werewolf, although she may need a bit more clothing.
I'm also interested what your observations of the reactions of people on the demo stations, its nice to hear not only different perspectives, but peoples impressions of people's different perspectives.
And to make this post not a complete waste to those who are going to be offended by it.. NVIDIA IS D000000000M3DDDD!!!!!!111111
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