How can you possibly say that?!Sonic said:
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I say better power=better games. The 48kb ZX Spectrum (Timex 2000) couldn't provide the gaming experience as well as the Amiga. You didn't have Populous, Worms, Syndicate, on the Spectrum, and the games that were ported, like R-Type and Lemmings, were but a shadow of themselves. If better technology didn't empower better games, we'd still be on 8 bit consoles.Guden Oden said:
In the context of discussion the question is how much more power per generation does a consle need than it's rivals to provide a better experience. Even a small amount can make a difference. If you have two identical games on two platforms, but one has full screen AA and the other hasn't, the AA'd game is better. It might play the same and provide the same fun, but it is a superior product and experience (unless you like jaggies and shimmer).
Of course, power doesn't work in isolation, and as everyone points out the software is more important. The most powerful console in the world wouldn't be worth having even if 100x faster than the rivals if there's no games for it you want. But power does enable better games, no getting round that fact unless you want to argue that FIFA on modern consoles is no better than FIFA on the Master System...
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I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark and say you own a DS, and that that platform has better games...yada, yada, yada. I don't know how you can say that, when Psp has great games due to it's hardware. A game like syphon filter CAN NOT be done on inferior hardware so technology plays a big factor. Now, the frequency of great software is a different matter and could also be linked to technology. Someone eariler stated that it's the artist that matters but if someone were to give a sculpturer a tool other than a chisel to sculp with, see how much his abilities are limited then.see colon said:
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Agreed - Hardware is simply a tool for the developers(artists) to carve their vision. The better the hardware(tool) the closer to their vision they can get within a set time period.
Whether the artist sucks or isn't given enough time or support tools or is being told "I want this sculpture to be a pig with the face of a horse because that would be beautiful", is another issue.
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While I think that hardware matters, it won't to X360 and PS3 gamers in this generation because the hardware is of comparable power. PS3 doesn't have double the memory and a more fully featured GPU like Xbox had over PS2 last generation. The games will just boil down to developers.
Both will be viable enough in the marketplace, so just pick one that has the games that most appeal to you. For some it's MGS, FF, and GT that turns their crank, for me it's Halo, Gears of War, and Mass Effect. Both machines will have GTA. I'll also pick up a Wii for kicks, but because of the lack of power I don't see it as being my meat and potatoes console of choice. More like an appetizer.
Both will be viable enough in the marketplace, so just pick one that has the games that most appeal to you. For some it's MGS, FF, and GT that turns their crank, for me it's Halo, Gears of War, and Mass Effect. Both machines will have GTA. I'll also pick up a Wii for kicks, but because of the lack of power I don't see it as being my meat and potatoes console of choice. More like an appetizer.
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I don't see WII as anything but a party game system...thing...Anyway, Sony has more things under it's belt than Microsoft. Blu-ray, connectivity, and all around more potencial. I see Sony setting itself apart just on hardware alone, let alone being a more capable system through the use of Cell's architecture. Ps3 has most of these potencials because of it's install base...it's just worth exploring hardware with that much potencial sells.Johnny Awesome said:While I think that hardware matters, it won't to X360 and PS3 gamers in this generation because the hardware is of comparable power. PS3 doesn't have double the memory and a more fully featured GPU like Xbox had over PS2 last generation. The games will just boil down to developers.
Both will be viable enough in the marketplace, so just pick one that has the games that most appeal to you. For some it's MGS, FF, and GT that turns their crank, for me it's Halo, Gears of War, and Mass Effect. Both machines will have GTA. I'll also pick up a Wii for kicks, but because of the lack of power I don't see it as being my meat and potatoes console of choice. More like an appetizer.
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lol - what installed base?
Seriously I see your angle WRT ps3 power, but this is mostly infered(hype) and as many devs have pointed out it will not be easy to get to this "potential power". For most, 360 will appear equal to ps3.
The difference will be in what games are available exclusive to each system as the ones that are multiplat by all accounts will appear identical.
My PS3 related comment in the other thread:
So I think these are the factors which decide for the normal user (besides the brand name and maybe some platform-unique games). Ease of use, no hassle, doing all the fancy stuff you can think of.
Of course, Wii being an exception thanks to all the possibilites with the new controller.
So I think these are the factors which decide for the normal user (besides the brand name and maybe some platform-unique games). Ease of use, no hassle, doing all the fancy stuff you can think of.
Of course, Wii being an exception thanks to all the possibilites with the new controller.
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I truly believe that although certain people complain about the price of the Playstation 3, those same people will buy it...and not after a price drop. And i believe this because of the sheer appeal. It's sexy, sleek, and stylish.TheChefO said:
And that will suck them in. Now, on the processing capablities...Although it's been said that Cell has a steep learning curve, it's nowhere near as hard as the infamous emotion engine, which has yet to be maxed out. The mere fact that Cell has 8 3.2 Ghz per useable processor verses 6 1.8 Ghz threads is blatant proof of where the "power" is.DUALDISASTER said:I truly believe that although certain people complain about the price of the Playstation 3, those same people will buy it...and not after a price drop. And i believe this because of the sheer appeal. It's sexy, sleek, and stylish.
ahhh ... I see ... Well I take it this post is more of an informed exageration and not your true perspective on the market right?
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Yeah, more or less...or wishful thinking.TheChefO said:
Then again, anything could happen.thenefariousone
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A quote straight from a marketing department. A quick google search of " sexy, sleek, and stylish" brings up a curiously large number of results.
Back on topic - The ps2 is way sleeker than the ps3. The ps3 doesn't look bad, but it's size takes away from it's "sleekness."
Back on topic - The ps2 is way sleeker than the ps3. The ps3 doesn't look bad, but it's size takes away from it's "sleekness."
DUALDISASTER said:I truly believe that although certain people complain about the price of the Playstation 3, those same people will buy it...and not after a price drop. And i believe this because of the sheer appeal. It's sexy, sleek, and stylish.
Yep I think here is one of the last place where cell enthousiasm is strong.
Computex is done (or almost no web at work for me..... ), and no buzz about it on the server side...
nor for other devices than ps3 anyway.
IBM still work on it with dp revision, but conroe desktop version is almost 50 Gflops (I can't remenber where iread it), easy to go as far as programming.. Amd will surely present in few time cpu(one year two years) with impressive calculation power if I consider theirs last buys.
Anyway on the server side two years is not long, but cell has still tot prove to be a succefull design. It somewhat lost is buzz to be fair...
Anyway, lake of wishfull thinking would make these boards boring
Computex is done (or almost no web at work for me.....
), and no buzz about it on the server side...nor for other devices than ps3 anyway.
IBM still work on it with dp revision, but conroe desktop version is almost 50 Gflops (I can't remenber where iread it), easy to go as far as programming.. Amd will surely present in few time cpu(one year two years) with impressive calculation power if I consider theirs last buys.
Anyway on the server side two years is not long, but cell has still tot prove to be a succefull design. It somewhat lost is buzz to be fair...
Anyway, lake of wishfull thinking would make these boards boring
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Wasn't trying to be perfect with exact numbers but you get what i was doing. Also, i'm no tech-head either to you would have to excuse me.TheChefO said:
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Well i guess i should be in marketing 'cause i pull that out of my butt trying to bethenefariousone said:
. But i think PS2 looked like a patio block.In the last 10 years, without counting handhelds of course, Nintendo's userbase is around 4 times smaller than Sony's. I don't think it's fair to count SNES or the NES because they hardly affects how people are buying today.
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