Saving Private Lynch

The problem I have with that article is the complete lack of facts or double checking of anything. Get two quotes, add opinion, publish.

Ummm, the BBC can do better than that.
 
How unexpected of Russ. Now I'm just waiting for Vince's SIGINT and IMGINT and OMGILTS to refute the story. Because he knows... ;)
 
I say, even if it is bogus (which I doubt) who cares? Did it hurt anyone to make a big deal out of it? No. In fact, it help bolster support for our men and women over there. True or false, that coverage helped guarantee that the homecoming troops were cheered instead of being spit upon like those returning from Vietnam. I'm glad that our military makes a big deal about POWs.

Besides, it's already old news in the US. You say Jessica Lynch and the other guy says, "Who? Oh, yeah, that girl. " The BBC are the ones keeping the Jessica Lynch story alive.
 
I say, even if it is bogus (which I doubt) who cares? Did it hurt anyone to make a big deal out of it? No. In fact, it help bolster support for our men and women over there. True or false, that coverage helped guarantee that the homecoming troops were cheered instead of being spit upon like those returning from Vietnam. I'm glad that our military makes a big deal about POWs.

So the purpose justifies the means, eh? I wonder if you will feel the same way if you end up on the wrong side of that bargain...
 
I wonder if you will feel the same way if you end up on the wrong side of that bargain...

If I was involved with a ruthless regime, I would deserve whatever I got...and if the worst I got was slammed in propeganda, I would count my blessings.

Edit: Crap. I posted on the wrong desktop again! :oops: -MrsS
 
CosmoKramer said:
How unexpected of Russ. Now I'm just waiting for Vince's SIGINT and IMGINT and OMGILTS to refute the story. Because he knows... ;)

Cute. Anytime Jerry Bruckheimer is mentioned, you know the story is utter BS. The BBC really is deteriorating in stature. The best part:

"It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

This definatly ranks up there with the Roswell, JFK, and NWO conspiracy theories. As usual, it demonstrates that you can keep an group of knowing American Soldiers silent on an event without any leakage whate-so-ever with the intense media prying... but we can't stop people like John Walker, Aldrich Ames, or the thousands of other people like Coleen Rowley who live to blow-whistles and bring in the yellow-tape.

Cosmo, I'm embarrased that you'd even believe this. Come to think of it, I have a bridge with Jimmy Hoffa and the two remaining "little grey's" from Roswell playing cards on to sell you....
 
Humus said:

In addition to being a shameless rip of the BBC, the Guardian has injected the British into the conspiracy thats ever growing...

The Men in Black must be doing overtime keeping them all quiet. Maybe they should pay a visit to the other government agencies that have employees that are selling secrets at MUCH greater personal risk to foreign entities.


EDIT: Since when do the Navy SEALS work with the Rangers? What POS news organizations are these? If they have the "truth" from reliable sources, they'd know that SFOD-Delta works with Rangers... not SEALS. As seen in Panama, Somolia, Grenada.

Nor do the SEALS prefom Hostage Rescue... More like Delta (eg. Kurt Muse in Panama). :rolleyes: Actually, Fox News reported this...
 
CosmoKramer said:
Vince: You are too good to be true :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Cosmo, I realise that you jump on stuff like this to vent your feelings towards some of us, our government, and way of life. This is fine, we all do it.

But, attempt to use some common sence. There are so few 'conspiracies' that stay secret in today's America. Hell, even places like Area51 that have long served as the dark corner that the Pentagon can turn to for it's Advanced Strategic systems and other Black Ops has been neutered and exposed by the Media and Investigative reporting. Hell, the "conspiracy like" thing done there that aren't even 1/1000th as explosive as this (eg. The burning of dielectric 'stealth' RAM because they didn't want it leaving secure grounds) has been brought to light due to workers there sueing the government. Freaking Testors builds models of the 'Black' aircraft there, Aviation Week has them by the balls.

And you think a conspiracy on the scale of Lynch is going to stay secret? This is insane... If they can't control the few hundred workers at Area 51, they're going to contoll the thousands involved in this? From the actual soldiers to the guys back at Qutar to the British and the people back in Washington?

Not to mention the glaring problems with the article that show the reporter didn't do his homework. Instead of just laughing, how about you defend it? Show me some proof.
 
It appears the BBC/Guardian article was almost certainly false on one crucial issue: if the rescue team used blanks or live ammunition.

Dr. Anmar Uday said:
It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions.

As documented here, there are a number of reasons why it is almost impossible that the special forces were using blanks. The summary (although you should read the link if at all interested) is that the guns used by the American military cannot use blank ammunition without a special attachment (picture), which is prominent enough to have been easily visible both to the witnesses at the hospital (it's brightly colored as an added safety measure) as well as on the video the Pentagon released.

Moreover, the attachment takes several minutes to remove which would make using them in unsecured enemy territory unbelievably dangerous. (Even if, as the article stupidly asserts, the Americans "should have known" that no Iraqi soldiers were at the hospital, does anyone honestly think they would go in so defenseless given the off chance that some Fedeyeen might have shown up in response to a mission in the middle of a city they controlled?)

Thus we can reasonably conclude that the bit about firing blanks is completely false. Beyond impugning the credibility both of the supposed witness who made this assertion--who is, incidentally, one of a grand total of two sources for the article (the other being his supposed colleague)--and of the reporter and editors who are so wholly ignorant of the military they profess to be covering that they accepted and printed an egregious mistake without question, this might seem to be only a minor detail.

But when you think about it further, you realize the question of whether the rescue team used blanks or not is actually at the crux of the entire accusation. If, indeed, they went in with blanks instead of live ammunition, than it seems obvious that the rescue was indeed staged, as they would have to have been confident that they would not be meeting any resistence. If, on the other hand, they went in with live ammunition, then the story changes from "the rescue was purposely staged, ostensibly for propoganda purposes" to "the rescue team prepared for more resistence than they actually met". Read carefully: despite the thick innuendo throughout, the alleged use of blanks is the only piece of evidence in the article to support the theory that the special forces' tactics were anything but standard, prudent operating procedure for such a mission.

The only other significant claim in the article (other than the preposterous elitist pander that the release of the videotape was somehow influenced by Jerry Bruckheimer and/or reality TV, bad art, and possibly genetically modified foods) is that the Iraqis tried to return Lynch but were turned away at a checkpoint. This is an interesting and IMO somewhat plausible claim, albeit one which I am reluctant to accept from a fraudulent report. Of course, if true this would have been no more than a slightly tragic but quite understandable mistake. (There was a war going on, remember?)

Instead, the article appears to suggest that perhaps the Americans shooed away the ambulance so as not to have their staged rescue foiled. (To its credit--and I use the term very lightly--the Guardian article reveals, upon a suitably close reading, that when the doctor "arranged to deliver Jessica to the Americans in an ambulance," the "arrangement" was with the ambulance driver, not with the Americans who indeed had no way of guessing that an Iraqi ambulance could have any legitimate reason for trying to cross a checkpoint into American-held territory.) Of course, to even entertain such an accusation you'd need to be an anti-American paranoid with no grounding whatsoever in reality...but then again, you are getting your news from the BBC or The Guardian, so perhaps that's not such a bad bet.
 
No offense, but I'm always curious about why Americans (not necessarily you guys but I've seen this on American media) can call a soldier (or whatever) who got captured by the enemies and fortunately got rescued by special forces (in this case, the enemies were already gone, no fighting was needed) a "hero". What's your definition of a hero ? I thought a hero is at least supposed to kick arse, not to get his/her arse kicked ? :p

I don't see why this is so special to Americans ? In wars, soldiers get injured, killed, and the fortunate ones get treated in hospitals as POWs, and the more fortunate ones get rescued. Happens all the time. Or you guys don't know anything about this ? :p

I say, even if it is bogus (which I doubt) who cares? Did it hurt anyone to make a big deal out of it? No. In fact, it help bolster support for our men and women over there. True or false, that coverage helped guarantee that the homecoming troops were cheered instead of being spit upon like those returning from Vietnam. I'm glad that our military makes a big deal about POWs.

No wonder why your government can control the people with lies, as you guys like being lied to ! :oops:
 
What's your definition of a hero ? I thought a hero is at least supposed to kick arse, not to get his/her arse kicked ?

Our armed forces consist of strictly volunteers; men and women who willingly and without coersion put their lives on the line for someone else. How is that not a hero?

No wonder why your government can control the people with lies, as you guys like being lied to !

What lie? Are you disputing the fact that Jessica Lynch was a POW who was then later rescued by the US armed forces? The most they can be considered guilty of is doing it with exaggerated pomp and grandeur. As it turned out, it may have been possible just to walk in and get her. Then again, perhaps there were members of the Regime laying in wait who got scared off by all the comotion. Who knows?

I would also like to remind you that it was the reporters, not the military, who got the story out to the public. It was the reporters, not the military, who inaccurately described her wounds (as they inaccurately described so much during the war). And it is the foreign press, not our military, that just won't let the issue die.
 
the lie was making it look like she had been horribly abused, possibly even raped. the harm in that is that it falsely sways peoples feelings and affects their judgement.
 
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