Reloaded: Architect's Flaw

he was good in bill and teds, speed, and the watcher. and never forget the matrix.

later,

 

He was only good in the Matrix because that role didn't even require any acting. He just had to look somewhat confused throughout the movie, which Keanu is certainly capable of. 8)

 

Bill and Teds was fun....though no where near "Back to the Future"!!!

 

From an aintitcool review:

Well, I didn't want to start a new thread for this... but is that for real?

 

sorry the only time he did a good acting job was the bill and teds and well that was playing a retart .

 

Merovingian is a previous One.

I'm completely convinced of it.

Why? The floor they go to. 101st floor.

Neo's apartment in Matrix--101.

You actually think they'd overlook that?

 

yea he is a previous one . I still say this is all a dream and neo is going to wake up in his room next to a pc like in the first one but there wont be any message from morpheus and those guys will come buy that stuff and just leave. Thats it all done .

 

My 2p worth...

I think that zion is an artificial reality, just like the matrix world - only controlled by AIs friendly to humanity - and the human race has actually died out completely ( come on - harversting humans for heat.... )
Neo has learned to control the matrix, but didn't understand that zion/outside is just another system ( and his outside powers probally set him up to understand the real truth in the third film )
Agent smith is again a rogue program, that has infected the zion system, but still runs against limits..
It would make for a pretty bleak third film, but you could imagine humanity becoming free to evolve into a new form ( The animatrix episode with the VR retraining of the machine would be a glimpse the future )

( Jack L Chalker has written similar VR style books that seem to echo some of the points in the matrix... and Phillip K Dick definitely covered the bleakness of VR well )

 

I prefer to think that Kandra Rama was the former the one.

 

Interesting theories, guys; I can't wait to see what happens in Revolutions. I just caught the Animatrix on DVD and it offered a slightly better understanding of the situation in the Matrix storyline than the first two movies did. Hype = building.

I gotta say that Reloaded wasn't the movie that the original Matrix was, though. The action scenes were mostly excellent; "mostly" because it was just too fakey after a certain point to be taken seriously.. heck, I could pinpoint the moment when the 100 Agent Smiths scene went from live-action to CGI. The plot was mediocre, but I'll hold that apart from the Matrix philosophy that we're discussing in this thread.

I dunno, maybe it was the acting or directing.. but the movie just left a "good, but not great" taste in my mouth, while I believe that The Matrix is a modern classic. I agree with those who say that they "Episode I-ized" it..

It could've been too much hype, I dunno. The original's mystery and overall genious were missing from the film, although I'm intrigued by Agent Smith and the final scene of the movie. Bahhh.. I guess I agree with some folks in saying that:

A. Reloaded suffers from inheritant flaws of the average middle film in a serial trilogy..

B. Reloaded and Revolutions could've been or are two halves of one movie but got released separately..

 

OK.

Merovingian is a former One. The core program that is the fundamental nature of the One became the Merovingian. Persephone, perhaps, was also a former One.

Seraph--the first One. It's why he looked special (even for an AI), it's why he could fight Neo, and it's why he's helping the Oracle. The Oracle, with Trinity, is trying to break the cycle of the destruction of Zion, and Seraph knows this and tries to help her.

And that leaves two more Ones who are unknown...

 

Seraph is a special program to protect the oracle. He said it himself . I would highly doubt that the first one was still around after 6 reboots. We have no clue how much time has past and his human body would have long been destroyed. Unless the real world is fake. But i think its all just a dream.

 

Well yeah, but, like the Merovingian, he would have no physical form--his consciousness would have been integrated into the Matrix, like Neo was to do. Meaning, he would be a program, but at one time, he would have been the One.

 

Judging by his name "Seraph" he is more than likely just a program if you follow the reasoning behind the name.

Seraphem are the guardian angels of God. They were created for that purpose alone.

 

I thought the head of the Zion council may have been one the the "Ones".

Remember in the movie there was a comment about the council be all old.

 

Honestly i didn't have a problem with the logic of the Architect though i assume he was indeed as psuedo perfect as he proclaimed.

Here are a number of admittions he made

1. This One (Neo) is superior to the rest in cognitive capacity and power.

The Architect invaritably has some idea of the recourse of the evolution of Neo's program in the matrix. He created everything this way.

2. The Architect is not omniscient. Hence the reason he created the Oracle.

3. Zion may not be in the "real" world. Militarily speaking Zion's threat of resistance is purely illogical and of no danger to the Matrix. Zion clearly lacks the capacity to take on an army of machines millions strong. We have yet to see exactly what kind of war machines the Machines can produce and or have in their arsenal.